Disable Stop/start - VCDS tweak

[drzikzak]

Hello Don!

At first, let me thank you for the warm-hearted welcoming!

I've searched a lot for a solution and the simplest way to silence the Start/Stop system seems to be the voltage or temperature tweak...

That's what I've actually tried, but entering the CAN-Gateway control unit and having a look into adaption....offers me a sheer incountable amount of options in the drop-down menu...but none of those about start/stop voltage or temperature?!

I wouldn't totally rule out that I could have overlooked it among the hundreds of entries...

So voltage and temperature should be quite on top of all the entries - am I right?

Could it be that the values looked for aren't there at all or at another position in the list? So is it possible that this special car or engine type doesn't support the feature to knock down start/stop via VCDS?


Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Alex

[DV52]

Hello Don!

At first, let me thank you for the warm-hearted welcoming!

I've searched a lot for a solution and the simplest way to silence the Start/Stop system seems to be the voltage or temperature tweak...

That's what I've actually tried, but entering the CAN-Gateway control unit and having a look into adaption....offers me a sheer incountable amount of options in the drop-down menu...but none of those about start/stop voltage or temperature?!

I wouldn't totally rule out that I could have overlooked it among the hundreds of entries...

So voltage and temperature should be quite on top of all the entries - am I right?

Could it be that the values looked for aren't there at all or at another position in the list? So is it possible that this special car or engine type doesn't support the feature to knock down start/stop via VCDS?


Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Alex

Alex: I'm surprised that you can't find the adaptation channels in the Gateway module. Of course, your friend's car might not have both the temperature and voltagr channels, but it should have one of these.

In the hope that it helps, I took the following screen shots using the latest RT software from the Gateway module on my test bench set-up (it's my "virtual" mk7) which only has the temperature channels:



Notice the relative position of the pull-down box on the RHS of the picture.

But the better method for finding adaptation channels is to use the "search" box. Just enter the word "temperature" and you should get the two channels when you press the pull-down arrow (see picture below). If you don't have the temperature channels, search for the term "voltage".



Don

[lonn2se]

Thanks for this useful start stop tips. It works fine in my mk7 golf. Any idea how it can been done in my VW caddy 2016?

[DV52]

Thanks for this useful start stop tips. It works fine in my mk7 golf. Any idea how it can been done in my VW caddy 2016?

lonn2se: hi - Alas the 2016 Caddy is built on a PQ35 platform (it's not MQB like the mk7). If you can't find anything specific for the Caddy, try searching for the same tweak for the Beetle, Jetta, Scirocco which share the same platform

Don

[gaucho]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak
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can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

[DV52]

can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

^^^ Gaucho: That's a very disappointing question since it strongly suggests that you are using a fake cable!

So - the only correct answer has to be to either update the software to Ross-Tech's latest version (which is ver16.8.4) - if you are using a genuine RT cable. Otherwise - throw the fake cable into the rubbish bin (because that's where it belongs) and stop supporting the trade of Intellectual-Property theft! Buyers of fake cables are as complicit as are sellers in this fraud!

Don

[Flipper Dog]

can anyone confirm me if I can do that with 12.12 VCDS?

Only if you are using Windows XP

[kickdown]

Hello guys,

Today after fiddling a little bit with my 2016 Seat Ibiza TDI DSG I was able to SUCCESSFULLY and PERMANENTLY disable Start-Stop system.

Note: This solutions is not the vwwatercooled.com temperature or voltage method!!! Despite their effectiveness, I don't want to risk my car electronics with such "hacks".
Note 2: This is tried on 2016 Seat Ibiza, but the Skoda Fabia/Octavia and other VAG's should be virtually the same.
Note 3: Please carry out any modifications and coding AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!. I will not be held responsible for any damage of the vehicle and I am just giving you the steps.

The tools needed:
VCDS Release 16.8.3 or higher version + compatible OBD II CAN Enabled cable. (You can buy them @Ross-Tech)

The steps to disabling start-stop system:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway
2. Click on Coding-07
3. Click on Long Coding Helper
4. Change Byte 3, Bit 2-3 (Drop down menu) from 04 Start/Stop System with Recuperation installed [PR-7L6] to 08 Start/Stop System NOT installed [PR-7L3]

5.Change Byte 4, Bit 0 to 0

6.Change Byte 15, Bit 0 to 0



7. Click on Exit - top left hand corner

8. Click on Do it!

Voila you are done!

I would be really happy if you can report your success stories with Fabia, Octavia and other last gen VAG cars. Also I would be happy to post it to other forums, by citing my nick as a credit @kickdown

Any questions I am on site!

[Ryan_R]

The only 'risk' with the temperature method as far as I can tell is that if you car ever actually is >255 degrees C, your Start/Stop system will function. But nice to have another option.

Hopefully one day we find out a code change that leaves the system disabled by default but operational on a press of the button. Fortunately the location of that button is far less annoying in the Audi than in the Golf (imo).

[DV52]

Hello guys,

Today after fiddling a little bit with my 2016 Seat Ibiza TDI DSG I was able to SUCCESSFULLY and PERMANENTLY disable Start-Stop system.

Note: This solutions is not the vwwatercooled.com temperature or voltage method!!! Despite their effectiveness, I don't want to risk my car electronics with such "hacks".
Note 2: This is tried on 2016 Seat Ibiza, but the Skoda Fabia/Octavia and other VAG's should be virtually the same.
Note 3: Please carry out any modifications and coding AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!. I will not be held responsible for any damage of the vehicle and I am just giving you the steps.

The tools needed:
VCDS Release 16.8.3 or higher version + compatible OBD II CAN Enabled cable. (You can buy them @Ross-Tech)

The steps to disabling start-stop system:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway
2. Click on Coding-07
3. Click on Long Coding Helper
4. Change Byte 3, Bit 2-3 (Drop down menu) from 04 Start/Stop System with Recuperation installed [PR-7L6] to 08 Start/Stop System NOT installed [PR-7L3]

5.Change Byte 4, Bit 0 to 0

6.Change Byte 15, Bit 0 to 0



7. Click on Exit - top left hand corner

8. Click on Do it!

Voila you are done!

I would be really happy if you can report your success stories with Fabia, Octavia and other last gen VAG cars. Also I would be happy to post it to other forums, by citing my nick as a credit @kickdown

Any questions I am on site!

kickdown: well done - just so I'm clear, have you tried this successfully on a Golf Mk7? Second question - what about all the adaptation channels in the other control modules (including the CAN Gateway) that were set as if SS was active?? I've not done an exhaustive search, but here are some that I found easily (I'm sure there will be others).



Third question- what the SS settings for the coding on the other control modules - like Byte 8, Bit 4 on the HV AC modue @ address hex 08?

Don

[DV52]

The only 'risk' with the temperature method as far as I can tell is that if you car ever actually is >255 degrees C, your Start/Stop system will function. But nice to have another option.

Only risk with temperature/voltage method is the "tell" on the MFD every time that the car stops (the dreaded "A" symbol with a slash!)

Hopefully kickdown's method is good on a mk7 - and hopefully someone with a mk7 will confirm its fault-free operation (with all systems running)!!

Hopefully one day we find out a code change that leaves the system disabled by default but operational on a press of the button. Fortunately the location of that button is far less annoying in the Audi than in the Golf (imo).

Narrh......... best way is to install my easy-to-build Automatic SS kill switch! It hasn't missed a beat in over 12 months operation - every time ignition is turned-on, SS is automatically turned off - no hassles, no mess, no coding changes - just blissfully ignore the entire issue of SS!

Don

[ferret vrs]

@hprs230 we should give this a crack !


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[by_rom]

Hello guys.

New release vcds 17 and now new option - official disable fu!!!ing ss on seat ibiza 2017 1.0 tsi dsg

[DV52]

Hello guys.

New release vcds 17 and now new option - official disable fu!!!ing ss on seat ibiza 2017 1.0 tsi dsg

by_rom: Alas, there ain't nothing new about this facility -it's not something that was introduced in "New release vcds 17 and now new option".

One of our colleagues here had this to report about the function on 3rd January 2015 in response to my suggestion that it might be a useful alternate to both the "temperature" and "voltage" methods for disabling SS (see post #22 of this thread)

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak
EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. Change this to active

Hey mate, trying to disable the start-stop but changing the above setting just constantly sets itself back to not active.................................

[gaucho]

Disable Start/Stop (Bluemotion) on Golf mkVII - VCDS tweak

The following two methods can be used to permanently disable Start/Stop (SS) on a Golf mk7:

(1) Temperature Method, or

(2) Voltage Method (as an alternative to the Temperature Method)

From feedback that I have received from forum members (thanks jonoz and Fontana), it appears that the Voltage method is applicable to later "MY" models and the Temperature method can be used on earlier "MY" models (i.e. my13 in my case)

Before proceeding with this tweak, consideration should be given to any legal and environemtal factors that may result when disabling this facility.

(1) Temperature Method
These instructions were sourced from the Golfmk7.com site. Grateful acknowledgement to the author "Allenlin" who has said that the VCDS tweak was developed on a 103TDI. Allenlin has produced a short video which shows that SS has been disabled (see the link below) I have implemented this tweak on my mkVII, and I can vouch that it works.

Video: Start/Stop disabled-Golf mkVII
Allenlin instructions:

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway



2.Click on Adaptation-10



3. From drop-down channel list select (1)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Minimaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)

• In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)
• Click Do it! tab
• Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change

4.From drop-down channel list select (2)-Start/Stopp Auntemperaturvorgabe-Maximaltemperatur (it's almost at end of channel list)

• In New value box, enter 50 (default stored value = -50.0)
• Click Do it! tab
• Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change

(2) Voltage Method (alternative)

The voltage method is not available to all mk7 models (my own my13 vehicle will not allow access to the Adaptation channel below). However, I have confirmed (by viewing the Adaptation Control Map for Address hex19) that this method is available for the my14 model.

Instructions

1. Enter 19-CAN Gateway (see screen shot above)

2. Click on Adaptation (see screen shot above)

3. From drop down channel list, select Start/Stop start voltage limit (it's about 60% down the channel list)

• In New value box, enter 12 (default stored value = 7.6V) Note: forums report that a value greater than 10V will work for this tweak - maximum permissible value =12.1V
• Click Do it! tab
• Click Add to Log to save a copy of the change

EDIT: If you have a Mk7 Golf R then you could have Acc/Start Auth. Control module fitted to your car (address 05, HW:5Q0-959-435)
This controller has only one adaptation channel whose sole function is disabling Stop/Start. The adaptation channel descriptor is Deactivation of start-stop function and default setting is not active. It may be possible to change this setting to active (untested).
I've had two replies from forum members about changing the setting on this control module (thanks jonoz and fontana). Both have advised that they were unable to gain access to this module.

are those still the best method for disabling start-stop in 2014 MK7 1.4 TDI Golfs ?