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  • #31
    Good to hear. Any specifics that stand out?
    Some say he was the Stig... all we know is that he drives a VW Transporter.
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    • #32
      Everything Ryan! - too much to list, its so integrated as well - all the functions are now in one place. You even turn traction control off through it (no longer a switch). All the vehicle & chassis / lighting settings are seamless, speed zones, 3D stuff - new cluster & advanced multi-lane direction in front of you.

      Like I said, too much. Spend a couple of hours in one, i jump back in my Golf 6 with RNS510 and it now feels "vintage"
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      • #33
        Cool, I figured the system would be better but perhaps the same ol map data would be a limiting factor. That said, the RNS510 (with latest software) also has (inaccurate) speed limit data and advanced lane guidance. Digging through HU menus to access stuff also sounds like a bigger distraction compared to having access to those settings on the MFD, and more of a risk of passengers changing something if you jump out of the car to refuel or something.
        Last edited by Ryan_R; 15-05-2013, 02:58 PM.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Guy_H View Post
          Everything Ryan! - too much to list, its so integrated as well - all the functions are now in one place. You even turn traction control off through it (no longer a switch). All the vehicle & chassis / lighting settings are seamless, speed zones, 3D stuff - new cluster & advanced multi-lane direction in front of you.

          Like I said, too much. Spend a couple of hours in one, i jump back in my Golf 6 with RNS510 and it now feels "vintage"
          That sounds good... it's not like it could get much more basic than what has been offered in the RNS for so long. I've had many rants on how inferior just about all built in factory units are compared to $99 windscreen mounted jobs, hopefully this is a step in the right direction (and continues rather than being left to rot).

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          • #35
            It is good to hear (apart from already having ordered without one) that the new satnav is a great improvement on the previous one.

            It does still strike me that options like these must be very high margin items for Volkswagen. I mean the display is there already as must be most of the processing hardware. Just need to add a GPS chip and a software license which would cost well under $100 per unit. Plus a little software modification and you're done.

            I'm not saying the dealers or maybe even VWA do well from these, but VW must love getting orders.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by doubtfull View Post

              I'm not saying the dealers or maybe even VWA do well from these, but VW must love getting orders.
              How much are the optional factory sat navs for other makes? Perhaps thats a better representation of the cost effectiveness of the VW option.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Guy_H View Post
                all the functions are now in one place. You even turn traction control off through it (no longer a switch).
                Thats no good... currently launch control is a fluid ,"S" - TC Button -Rev - Dump... instead we will be interrogating our head units....
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                • #38
                  I have just purchased a 2013 Series 7 TDI Highline with factory fitted satnav as a standard option. I have also been a long time user of Garmin portable GPS devices.

                  While I like the way the satnav has been integrated into the car and have found the driver interface simple to use and intuitive, at this stage, the actual navigation function does not work as well as my $300 Garmin unit.

                  The main problem appears to be that the algorithm used to work out the pronunciation of street names is very poor and we have had frequent problems understanding what is said, even for the streets we know close to home. The system also attempts to pronounce the abbreviations for St, Rd, Blvd, Crt, Crcl, etc as they are written rather than in full making them completely unintelligible.

                  Then there are the ones we are still trying to work out - ‘please take the second exit then follow the road wern’??????? I hope these are only software issues that will be addressed in future updates but at the moment, they affect the functionality of the factory fitted satnav.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Wrinkles66 View Post
                    I have just purchased a 2013 Series 7 TDI Highline with factory fitted satnav as a standard option. I have also been a long time user of Garmin portable GPS devices.

                    While I like the way the satnav has been integrated into the car and have found the driver interface simple to use and intuitive, at this stage, the actual navigation function does not work as well as my $300 Garmin unit.

                    The main problem appears to be that the algorithm used to work out the pronunciation of street names is very poor and we have had frequent problems understanding what is said, even for the streets we know close to home. The system also attempts to pronounce the abbreviations for St, Rd, Blvd, Crt, Crcl, etc as they are written rather than in full making them completely unintelligible.

                    Then there are the ones we are still trying to work out - ‘please take the second exit then follow the road wern’??????? I hope these are only software issues that will be addressed in future updates but at the moment, they affect the functionality of the factory fitted satnav.
                    SO you are finding out how bad the Navigation actually is.
                    Its always early with its instructions and you are not up to where it thinks you are I have never been able to adjust this.
                    Do you like the "Stay on this road for a very long time." Turn now 25m BEFORE the corner. The fact that the maps are about 18 months out of date when we get them. The Text to speech is abysmal as most portable units will say "turn left into Smith St" VW says turn left in 200m Then turn now.
                    Is disgusting for the price.
                    Would never have had one except it was in the car when I bought it.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Wrinkles66 View Post
                      Then there are the ones we are still trying to work out - ‘please take the second exit then follow the road wern’??????? I hope these are only software issues that will be addressed in future updates but at the moment, they affect the functionality of the factory fitted satnav.

                      Was that instruction for a roundabout?

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                      • #41
                        I bought the 103TSI, and agree the integration of the satnav is great. It displays information in the centre of the instrument display as well as the colour map on the main unit so easier to stay on track. The main unit also displays the name of the street you are on at all times which is handy. Like all satnavs, it's a bit clumsy at times with street name pronunciation. Timing of announcements seems fine to me.

                        Would I pay just for the satnav upgrade? Nope. A $75 unit from Aldi is sufficient - I bought one of these when the satnav in my ford died out of warranty - choice of $2400 to fix the ford or $75 for the Aldi unit which is a no brainer decision (aldi also had spoken street names which the ford didnt), and same applies to high specs units from Garman, tomtom etc. They also go portable if you need them which is fairly difficult with the inbuilt!
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                        • #42
                          I'm just a bit curious... doesn't almost everyone have a modern smartphone (mostly IOS or Android) these days with a data plan (pretty much all post-paid plans have 1-2GB these days)? The reason I ask is that Google Maps is otherwise free and excellent (you can download a large portion of maps for offline viewing as well, although you need a connection when you first ask for directions). If you have the phone paired via bluetooth you hear the voice through the car stereo. Also when you arrive at your destination the phone shows the place you're looking for (StreetView). Live traffic conditions are also shown.

                          Or if you want the proper offline experience you can buy an IOS/Android app called Sygic which is similar to TomTom/Garmins.

                          Basically I don't get why some buy portable navigation devices (PNDs) when they already have one.


                          I have a pretty good sense of direction and often just leave my RNS510 on the maps screen without navigation (otherwise use voice control to enter a destination) but I do find Google Maps a great supplement when looking for things like shops, etc where I don't know the address. I have a Galaxy S3 4G on the Telstra network with 1.5GB of data. I'm an IT guy and use data a fair bit but never get close to the limit (just use an app to measure your usage and alert you - I use Onavo for Android).
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ryan_R View Post
                            I'm just a bit curious... doesn't almost everyone have a modern smartphone (mostly IOS or Android) these days with a data plan (pretty much all post-paid plans have 1-2GB these days)? The reason I ask is that Google Maps is otherwise free and excellent (you can download a large portion of maps for offline viewing as well, although you need a connection when you first ask for directions). If you have the phone paired via bluetooth you hear the voice through the car stereo. Also when you arrive at your destination the phone shows the place you're looking for (StreetView). Live traffic conditions are also shown.

                            Or if you want the proper offline experience you can buy an IOS/Android app called Sygic which is similar to TomTom/Garmins.

                            Basically I don't get why some buy portable navigation devices (PNDs) when they already have one.


                            I have a pretty good sense of direction and often just leave my RNS510 on the maps screen without navigation (otherwise use voice control to enter a destination) but I do find Google Maps a great supplement when looking for things like shops, etc where I don't know the address. I have a Galaxy S3 4G on the Telstra network with 1.5GB of data. I'm an IT guy and use data a fair bit but never get close to the limit (just use an app to measure your usage and alert you - I use Onavo for Android).
                            Then there are those of us who use a phone for making phone calls and not much else. I have an Iphone but dont have any data on it at all.

                            Only have it cos it was free.

                            Am quite happy to use it as I do and not worry about fancy things on it. It does have Google maps on it and Whereis but havent bothered with them much.

                            The RNS 510 would be a good unit if they would put some decent navigation software in it. As others have said an $75 Aldi unit has very good text to speech but the 510 sucks bigtime in that area. Cant be too hard to do it proprely surely
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                            • #44
                              Re: Is the satnav option worthwhile?

                              Replying to Ryan's post:
                              This then means you can't listen to the radio, or use the head unit usb/hdd if you use Bluetooth. But yes,I mix my navigating between the rns and phone too depending on my mood. I have a Brodit vent mount and a charging mount for my Note 2 in landscape (because in portrait this phone is huuge) so have a near rns screen size just above the rns
                              I guess you could argue that most would have their fave music collection on the phone these days anyway.

                              But also remember most states have very high penalties these days for handling your mobile phone whilst the engine is running (because let's face it, everyone once in their life will experience a heavily "experienced" 21 year old rookie cop arguing that despite being stuck in a 2 min traffic light sequence, that you touched your phone could have killed that bus load of young school children there).
                              Sometimes it is definitely handy googling something and just hitting "navigate"though, so I do mix my navigation between Google, the slightly paid for Samsung Navigon (it has traffic and camera warnings) and the rns depending on situation.
                              But very few people would have their phones nicely mounted like I have.. one thing that does peeve me is seeing super bright portable navigation units smack in front on the drivers vision, blocking a good part of the forward view. I tried widescreen mounting my phone somewhere, there is nowhere to put it that isn't severely limiting visibility where it counts,I.e cars/people/cyclists coming from side streets..

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                              edit:grr,what looked like an edit option in 4 beta was a quote option.. sorry for double post. I hate icons that don't explain what they do in phone apps now, e.g copy/paste...icons all look nearly the same for select all, copy and paste now... can lose a big wad of something I was planning to copy by pasting over it..
                              Last edited by tonymy01; 30-06-2013, 11:15 AM.
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                              • #45
                                VW needs it's own version of GM's MyLink. That uses your smartphone as the data source and processing grunt for Sat Nav and displays the result on the cars AV screen.

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