Mk7 Golf R Discussion Thread

[tigger73]

The dealers I am speaking to are varying the 'estimated price' by as much as $3k or so. They're suggesting I put down a deposit subject to pricing, but methinks that doing that restricts negotiating for the best deal. Am I right in holding off, or would it be wise to wait? Anyone had this dilemma before?

The only way I'd place a deposit/sign a contract is if the price was significantly in your favour. You could write into the sales contract a % discount off the RRP or a fixed value that you feel represents "good value". Then it's up to the dealer whether they decide to break the contract once the pricing is released. If they want to "bag" an early sale then it should be in your favour not theirs. They are only stopping you from going somewhere else so the dealer should pay a premium for "locking in" an early sale.

That's the way I look at it anyway.

[tcat99]

Yeah, they did say I could put a conditional deposit down, subject to pricing etc., and refundable if pricing wasn't up to what I wanted. I think you are right Dutch77. They have stiff competition with the S3 at such a reduction from the old model's pricing ($70k+?). My hope is that VW follow suit early to remain competitive and to warrant the diff btn the S3 from above and the GTI PP from below. Otherwise it may be better to wait for a bit and they realise they are not competitive...

[ozynigma]

Springwood VW has a Carbon Grey GTI PP in the storage, it looks absolutely porn!

I just test drove a GTI at Ipswich VW today and they had a white PP in the showroom. To be honest I didn't realise what it was but I noticed it had 19" wheels. I just logged in to find out whether the R is going to be worth the extra over the GTI for me if I decide to purchase in the next few months. Got a few more pages of this thread to read I think.

[Rogue wolf]

Would be surprised if the R is less than $65k fully optioned drive away, problem is they need to keep a sizeable margin between the GTI, PP & the R, & like the new gti they will claim "but half the features that where options On the mk6 are now standard on this model", which really means we ripped you off on the last model & we've increased the price a little on this model cause we can't get away with charging for those options now.

How VW should really structure there prices as imo there a bit overpriced:

Sell only the following models: GTI BASE cloth interior, GTI PP fully optioned leather sunroof all available options, R FULLY OPTIONED

GTI BASE: manual $39500 dsg $41500 drive away

GTI PP FULLY OPTIONED: manual $47,000 dsg $49,000 drive away

GOLF R FULLY OPTIONED: manual $57,000 DSG $59,000 drive away

They need to get more competitive as competition is coming in from everywere like the new type r civic next year

So if anyone wants to fly me to Germany I'm happy to submit these prices to VW for you all lol

[pologti18t]

GTI PP FULLY OPTIONED: manual $47,000 dsg $49,000 drive away

I didn't think there was a manual PP for australia?

As for the Civic R... Honda have already backed down on their Nurburgring claims since the Seat Leon Cupra R 280 did that sub 8 min lap.
Too little too late I think from honda.

[Dutch77]

I didn't think there was a manual PP for australia?

As for the Civic R... Honda have already backed down on their Nurburgring claims since the Seat Leon Cupra R 280 did that sub 8 min lap.
Too little too late I think from honda.

There isn't. I think that was just Rogue Wolf's suggested range and pricing (or dream anyway). I half agree with the ideas, although the VW style sunroof is not something I'd want to be 'forced' to take just to get the other options.

As for Honda, they've totally lost the plot these days. The existing Type R is ugly, and the mock ups of the new one aren't any better. That Seat looks nice, if they do go ahead and bring the brand back in 2016 that might be another drain on buyers from VW although they'll probably run into the same brand recognition issues that Skoda has.

[Lemonskin]

There isn't. I think that was just Rogue Wolf's suggested range and pricing (or dream anyway). I half agree with the ideas, although the VW style sunroof is not something I'd want to be 'forced' to take just to get the other options.

As for Honda, they've totally lost the plot these days. The existing Type R is ugly, and the mock ups of the new one aren't any better. That Seat looks nice, if they do go ahead and bring the brand back in 2016 that might be another drain on buyers from VW although they'll probably run into the same brand recognition issues that Skoda has.

If the sales figures I've seen recently are any indication, SEAT might replace Skoda in 2016! If the new Octavia doesn't improve their sales by a factor of 4, I can't see how they remain profitable. It's a shame because they make genuinely good cars, they just don't seem to know how to make people pay attention to them.

[maraach]

You have placed an order and received a delivery date, but you can't possibly have an agreed price yet, or do you? BTW, congratulations on your specification and extremely fast delivery time. Annoyingly, I have to wait until Q3 or Q4 to receive my almost identical order with manual transmission. My pre-order contract will be torn up if we don't agree on price, and I will be pushing hard for a good deal. For those following this thread, it's clear that members are flocking to the Audi S3 in droves for different reasons. On this basis. Volkswagen dealers should be grateful when Golf R customers come knocking on their door.

You are spot on. Got the spec, got the exact car on its way but have no idea on the price yet. In my pre-order contract we have a ceiling price, if it doesnt come under that, then I wont proceed.

As for the Audi, I have to admit im surprised at the exodus. Dont get me wrong, in Feb I went straight the Audi dealer and said "sign me up" but when I saw the actual price I balked - it was just under $80k onroad. A good chunk of that was the $4k dealer delivery neither dealer in my area would budge on. I might be naive but I am expecting a similar spec'd R to be around $65.

[maraach]

Just spoke to my dealer. The ship with the first customer cars docks in Sydney on the 17th. Expected delivery is 7-10 days after that.
They are going for their dealer training day next Friday.

This is the same info I was given.

[Mikey1]

You are spot on. Got the spec, got the exact car on its way but have no idea on the price yet. In my pre-order contract we have a ceiling price, if it doesnt come under that, then I wont proceed.

As for the Audi, I have to admit im surprised at the exodus. Dont get me wrong, in Feb I went straight the Audi dealer and said "sign me up" but when I saw the actual price I balked - it was just under $80k onroad. A good chunk of that was the $4k dealer delivery neither dealer in my area would budge on. I might be naive but I am expecting a similar spec'd R to be around $65.

I don't think you're comparing apples with apples. I too went to my nearest Audi dealership and was quoted $78.7K RRP on-road with many of the popular options, including S Performance Package. But with the exception of magnetic ride, none of the other options contained in this package are available in the Golf R. Also, there are numerous other omissions and differences which makes a direct comparison difficult. To complicate things, you can obtain corporate pricing on the Audi, which makes a significant difference to the dealer delivery fee and servicing. There is no corporate pricing available on the Golf R. I assume stamp duty differences between states also needs to be considered. Anyway, for me on a closest like-for-like basis, there will be circa $10K difference, which for me is significant, but apparently for others is acceptable. Also, unlike others, I don't like the Audi S3 interior or wheels and the fact that to get a pure white colour, you have to select Glacier White Metallic, costing an additional $1050.

[Mikey1]

VW Golf R vs. Audi S3 vs. Mercedes A45 AMG (English subtitled)

Dutch AutoWeek review: http://youtu.be/jplP2OItle8

Another Golf R victory in almost every respect.

Those Pretoria wheels look so nice and probably lighter than the equivalent Cadiz wheels. It's a shame they can't be ordered as a factory option.

[andrew7]

Nice pick up Mikey1- agree the Pretoria's look fantastic. This Dutch reviewer is one of the most balanced and professional I have seen (have looked at a number of his reviews), and echoes other recent reviews putting the R in front.

Leaving aside my slight asthetic preference for the S3 I'm now convinced that I should test drive and price the R before making my final decision (also not a bad thing to let a few months at least pass to let some heat out the market and for supply to catch up to initial demand from early adopters). BTW, I finally drove the S3 today (came with optional PP), it was simply brilliant and is in a whole different league to my MK6 GTI. Launch control was wow! Lovely deep rumble from the exhaust and great DSG burps particularly in dynamic mode. Interior comfort excellent. No rattles or squeaks. Hugged the road. I expect clearly that the R will be as good so it will come down to the price differential, asthetics and what can be negotiated with the dealer. All th R needs for me is leather (and tint). The base S3 is fine for me but you need to add on metallic paint to spec the nice white (glacier white- a $1,050 option) (and tint) (sacrificing adaptable dampers with the base S3 of course). R pricing will be very interesting indeed. Until next week...

[maraach]

I don't think you're comparing apples with apples. I too went to my nearest Audi dealership and was quoted $78.7K RRP on-road with many of the popular options, including S Performance Package. But with the exception of magnetic ride, none of the other options contained in this package are available in the Golf R. Also, there are numerous other omissions and differences which makes a direct comparison difficult. To complicate things, you can obtain corporate pricing on the Audi, which makes a significant difference to the dealer delivery fee and servicing. There is no corporate pricing available on the Golf R. I assume stamp duty differences between states also needs to be considered. Anyway, for me on a closest like-for-like basis, there will be circa $10K difference, which for me is significant, but apparently for others is acceptable. Also, unlike others, I don't like the Audi S3 interior or wheels and the fact that to get a pure white colour, you have to select Glacier White Metallic, costing an additional $1050.

$10k sounds about right to me. $3 - $4k and I probably would have bought it. I was also supposedly getting the corporate pricing (though they admitted they wouldn't do much for me on the S3 but would give me free servicing). The differences I saw between the two (base spec) are the magnetic ride, ski port, white paint (a $1050 option as you said). I think the sunroof was also more expensive on the Audi but I may be mistaken. The biggest difference was the dealer delivery. Immediately that adds $4.5k to the car (when you factor in stamp duty) from the base price. I just couldnt get past that.

I have to price the options in PP separately as I dont want the tombstone seats. Personally i really just like the stock ones. I do wish a premium sound option was available in the golf though.

[maraach]

The other thing that I wasn't as keen on with the golf was the body kit.

The rear looks ok, but to me (I know its personal preference) front lip looks a bit too boy racer and looks like its been stuck on as opposed to the previous models which did a great job of integrating the kit. I think the understated look of the audi is preferable there.. but hey, thats just me.

[rapidattack]

For those who have actually been in an 2014 R, any idea if the cloth seats are ok or even preferred over the leather?