Why is 504 / 507 oil so readily available when it should not be used here?

[kakao]

Thanks, OzBargain has great prices.

The question now is if I need 5W/30 or 5W/40 viscosity as there is another Gastrol Edge which is 5/40, and both are 502 00 oils.

Which one, 5W/30 or 5W/40, thanks.



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[brad]

Thanks, OzBargain has great prices.

The question now is if I need 5W/30 or 5W/40 viscosity as there is another Gastrol Edge which is 5/40, and both are 502 00 oils.

Which one, 5W/30 or 5W/40, thanks

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New engine that takes 15k+ to run in properly? Unless you are absolutely hammering it 5w-30 is fine.

For the 90% of people that drive "normally" you can use either and it would make no major difference.

[Lucas_R]

Bunnings of all places!
Supercheap had a special on (40% off?) and I got Bunnings to "beat it by 10%" and Valvoline had $20 per jug cash back by redemption. I bought 2x 5L as that was all Bunnings had on the shelf. This was some time this year (march??)

OzBargain is a great place to monitor oil prices

This stuff? Says its VW502/505: Valvoline 5L 5W-40 SynPower Full Synthetic Oil | Bunnings Warehouse

[Guest001]

This stuff? Says its VW502/505: Valvoline 5L 5W-40 SynPower Full Synthetic Oil | Bunnings Warehouse

It does say its only "Suitable for" which is different to "Approved for" though.

Only difference is they wouldnt pay for certification but I would be hesitant to use it and blow a piston or something in warranty period

LOL

[tigger73]

It does say its only "Suitable for" which is different to "Approved for" though.

Only difference is they wouldnt pay for certification but I would be hesitant to use it and blow a piston or something in warranty period

LOL

Yes big difference in who is legally responsible just by 1 simple word.


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[kakao]

New engine that takes 15k+ to run in properly? Unless you are absolutely hammering it 5w-30 is fine.

For the 90% of people that drive "normally" you can use either and it would make no major difference.

Nope, didn't say that the car takes 15,000Km+ to run-in properly, maybe 3,000 - 5,000Km maximum ..

Went to VW service centre today and asked the guy at the front desk about the oil recommendation - He says Castrol Edge 5W/30 Professional is what they use, but he was unable to tell if 502 00 or 504 00 is suitable for my car ...!? (Can you believe this??)

Then I went to Repco, and the lady looked into her computer and said that 5W/30 LL (long Life, not A3/B4) 504 00 is the one ...?!?!? That is contrary to what is on the label in the engine bay.

All in all, I believe that the confusion about all this is intentional, to make people just go to a dealership and pay $400+ for oil change.
If one carefully look at the Owner's Manual, there is no mention of viscosity either. Very fishy indeed, and not appropriate for such big company such as VW.

I can hardly believe that 502 00 or 504 00 would make any difference whatsoever, or have a negative impact on the car engine, but I bought 4 canisters of 502 00 Edge A3/B4 (as it was on special, $44/5L canister) and 4 original VW filters for the future .. this is in addition to the regular servicing at 15,000Km, as I simply don't buy the story that the same oil should be kept for so long.

My thoughts only, of course ..!

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[brad]

Nope, didn't say that the car takes 15,000Km+ to run-in properly, maybe 3,000 - 5,000Km maximum ..

Went to VW service centre today and asked the guy at the front desk about the oil recommendation - He says Castrol Edge 5W/30 Professional is what they use, but he was unable to tell if 502 00 or 504 00 is suitable for my car ...!? (Can you believe this??)

Then I went to Repco, and the lady looked into her computer and said that 5W/30 LL (long Life, not A3/B4) 504 00 is the one ...?!?!? That is contrary to what is on the label in the engine bay.

All in all, I believe that the confusion about all this is intentional, to make people just go to a dealership and pay $400+ for oil change.
If one carefully look at the Owner's Manual, there is no mention of viscosity either. Very fishy indeed, and not appropriate for such big company such as VW.

I can hardly believe that 502 00 or 504 00 would make any difference whatsoever, or have a negative impact on the car engine, but I bought 4 canisters of 502 00 Edge A3/B4 (as it was on special, $44/5L canister) and 4 original VW filters for the future .. this is in addition to the regular servicing at 15,000Km, as I simply don't buy the story that the same oil should be kept for so long.

My thoughts only, of course ..!

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No, I'm saying they take 15k to run-in. My fuel economy and power got better and better until 15k. VW engines are generally pretty tight with their tolerances.

Castrol Edge 5w-30 Professional is 504.00/507.00.

The dealership uses 504 and Repco says 504 and 2 long term owners (BTW I'm a qualified motor mechanic and a mechanical engineer and my role from 2016-2018 was Reliability Engineer for large water supply assets and my current role is Maintenance Engineer) are saying use 504.00. What does that tell you?

502.00 is also OK but 504.00 is a better oil. You do realis that in the UK and Europe they use 504 on variable service which means up to 30,000km/2 years service intervals?
I've done UOI on 504 and it comes up like new after 15k. These are modern engines and modern lubricants. It's not some 20w-50 mineral oil on a 5000km/3months service interval (no wonder some of my clients were like old friends).

The confusion isn't intentional. I still think the OP is incorrect but it's not my car and I don't really give a fig what he does to his car.

[brad]

It does say its only "Suitable for" which is different to "Approved for" though.

Only difference is they wouldnt pay for certification but I would be hesitant to use it and blow a piston or something in warranty period

LOL

There is no certification process on 502.00. Even if you wanted to pay, you can't.

One of the reasons VW started the "Approval" system for 504 was because every man and his dog was doing a 502.00 and the specifications varied a lot.

[kakao]

No, I'm saying they take 15k to run-in. My fuel economy and power got better and better until 15k. VW engines are generally pretty tight with their tolerances.

Castrol Edge 5w-30 Professional is 504.00/507.00.

The dealership uses 504 and Repco says 504 and 2 long term owners (BTW I'm a qualified motor mechanic and a mechanical engineer and my role from 2016-2018 was Reliability Engineer for large water supply assets and my current role is Maintenance Engineer) are saying use 504.00. What does that tell you?

502.00 is also OK but 504.00 is a better oil. You do realis that in the UK and Europe they use 504 on variable service which means up to 30,000km/2 years service intervals?
I've done UOI on 504 and it comes up like new after 15k. These are modern engines and modern lubricants. It's not some 20w-50 mineral oil on a 5000km/3months service interval (no wonder some of my clients were like old friends).

The confusion isn't intentional. I still think the OP is incorrect but it's not my car and I don't really give a fig what he does to his car.

Do you really believe that using 504 over 502 would make difference, and if so in which way, thanks ...!


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[kakao]

The owner's manual says to only use 504 00 / 507 00 oil in markets where the fuel meets EN 228 standards (10ppm sulphur), otherwise to use 502 00 oil instead. Australian 95 and 98 RON fuel can be up to 50ppm sulphur and does not meet EN 228 fuel standards, therefore 502 00 oil should be used (according to the owner's manual). This is why I never trust oil vendor's product guides (which in this case all seem to recommend 504 / 507 oils) or mechanics that just use oil vendor's product guides.

Am I missing something? Should I be going against VW's recommendation like nearly every oil vendor's product guide recommends?

BTW what car are you asking about in your OP, thanks.

[bradsm87]

BTW what car are you asking about in your OP, thanks.

Nothing specific. General thread out of interest. Mine is an MK7.5 GTI but it applies to other vehicles and engines too. Golf, Polo and Tiguan all have more or less the same thing written in the manuals. Very new models are prob a bit different now with the 0w-20 oils coming in around 2019-is so I'm referring to prior to that.

[I CU2]

I've got a 2019 110TSI Golf which has the VW502 oil sticker in the engine bay too.

I've already got a decent stockpile of 504/507 oil which I pick up whenever on sale as I use it in my A5 3.0 TDI which requires low SAPS due to the DPF but Castol Edge 502 is quite a bit cheaper than Edge LL 507 when on sale (and it's on sale quite a bit more often too!).

@Brad - I also picked up Valvoline's 504/507 approved oil ( SynPower XL-III 5W-30 - Full Synthetic Engine Oil | Valvoline ) on special with the $20 cashback. It worked out being $30/5L for me when Autobarn had a 40% off sale.

Just wondering if there any benefits of a low SAPS oil in a petrol engine (environmental aspects side)?

[brad]

Just wondering if there any benefits of a low SAPS oil in a petrol engine (environmental aspects side)?

As far as I can tell, the low SAPs is a lot kinder on intake carbon on the valves.

As I said, this thread is like going back 13 years in time. There were a lot of discussions on the differences back then in MK5 days