Stop Start Technology

[StevenB]

Hello All
Can someone please tell me which model/year was the first GTI to have Stop Start. I have searched but unable to find a definitive answer
Cheers
Steven

[Lucas_R]

Im pretty certain that all Mk7 era vehicles have the stop start and these were the first Golfs to have it. I owned 2x Mk6 Golfs (GTI and R) and neither of them had it.

[Polo GTEye N9]

So pleased VW have given the driver an OFF button for Stop Start unTech!

Just think about the stress on the starting system and battery, let alone a cold engine.

Grasping at straws to meet Euro emissions.

[Guest001]

So pleased VW have given the driver an OFF button for Stop Start unTech!

Just think about the stress on the starting system and battery, let alone a cold engine.

Grasping at straws to meet Euro emissions.

Takes 2 mins to turn it off forever

[Lucas_R]

Yep i turned it off permanently using Carista when i bought my car. I absolutely hate the stop/start function.

[Mattlock]

So pleased VW have given the driver an OFF button for Stop Start unTech!

Just think about the stress on the starting system and battery, let alone a cold engine.

Grasping at straws to meet Euro emissions.

Start-stop cars have different batteries to cope and only run the function when certain conditions are met - one of which is that the engine has to be within its normal range for temperature and pressures. They even check against expected load from the A/C to make sure the car is safe.

Having said that, my Mazda 3 has it and it’s only ‘saved’ 300km on 19,000km (according to it) and I’m quite happy that my i30N doesn’t have it at all but still meets Euro emissions targets!



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[Ozsko]

I think SS came in at the first MK7 face lift, our PP has it and it was one of the first face lift cars. It has never failed to work the way it was supposed and has never given any trouble and it is never turned off.

[Gargui]

Start-stop cars have different batteries to cope and only run the function

And unfortunately these 'different' batteries cost a lot more than your standard. I was just quoted $435 for a replacement for the Golf R. Combined with the additional wear on the starter motor and pathetic amount of 'petrol savings' I'm stopping just short of calling the entire feature a car company conspiracy.

[Diesel_vert]

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[Gargui]

That's a great find - thank you

[Mattlock]

And unfortunately these 'different' batteries cost a lot more than your standard. I was just quoted $435 for a replacement for the Golf R. Combined with the additional wear on the starter motor and pathetic amount of 'petrol savings' I'm stopping just short of calling the entire feature a car company conspiracy.

Yeah, my dad has just had to replace his battery on his Porsche Boxster and Porsche go as far as saying you have to go back to the dealer to have the car recalibrated. So they sell you a battery and recalibration for about £500! Ludicrous.

Then you look at my Hyundai i30N which is brand new, Euro VI compliant and does not have stop/start technology. Makes me think it’s a farce to have it fitted.



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[flat6]

I disabled this about a year ago, but after sitting in some crazy melbourne traffic I can see times when it would actually save me some fuel.

The whole problem with it is that it should be switchable on demand rather than always on when you start the car, and it sometimes cuts off the engine whilst your still moving or stopping for a couple of seconds.. really annoying

Has anyone had any success lowering the sensitivity of the system? possibly raising the minimum voltage to 9/10v?

[DV52]

I disabled this about a year ago, but after sitting in some crazy melbourne traffic I can see times when it would actually save me some fuel.

The whole problem with it is that it should be switchable on demand rather than always on when you start the car, and it sometimes cuts off the engine whilst your still moving or stopping for a couple of seconds.. really annoying

Has anyone had any success lowering the sensitivity of the system? possibly raising the minimum voltage to 9/10v?

Flat6: Hi- great minds think alike (let's not entertain the other side of that saying)!!!

Fact is alas that the only way to achieve your wants is to fit a physical device to car. There are an increasing number of these devices appearing on the market - but those that automatically switch-off SS and then subsequently allow the driver to re-enable SS later in the journey ostensibly work by mimicking the driver pressing the native SS button on the center console.


If you are interested in a REAL (read, more flexible) solution to the way that SS should operate - you could make and install your own device - like THIS - the unit that I made has been working flawlessly for over 5 years!! And, yes after SS is automatically set to off on ignition switch-on, it does allow the driver to re-engage SS later in the journey - not that I have ever done this in the 5 x year period (I hate SS with a vengeance!!)

Or you could buy THIS - it's simple to install (I think/believe) and it has a secret "service" mode for when you take the car to the stealer. But be warned that the unit that I purchased (purely for academic interest - I don't need to replace my self-built device) was delivered with no instructions and I couldn't get any sense from the supplier. I had to mount the device on my workbench to figure-out how to use it.

Don

[gregozedobe]

Flat6: Hi- great minds think alike (let's not entertain the other side of that saying)!!!

Fact is alas that the only way to achieve your wants is to fit a physical device to car. There are an increasing number of these devices appearing on the market - but those that automatically switch-off SS and then subsequently allow the driver to re-enable SS later in the journey ostensibly work by mimicking the driver pressing the native SS button on the center console.


If you are interested in a REAL (read, more flexible) solution to the way that SS should operate - you could make and install your own device - like THIS - the unit that I made has been working flawlessly for over 5 years!! And, yes after SS is automatically set to off on ignition switch-on, it does allow the driver to re-engage SS later in the journey - not that I have ever done this in the 5 x year period (I hate SS with a vengeance!!)

Or you could buy THIS - it's simple to install (I think/believe) and it has a secret "service" mode for when you take the car to the stealer. But be warned that the unit that I purchased (purely for academic interest - I don't need to replace my self-built device) was delivered with no instructions and I couldn't get any sense from the supplier. I had to mount the device on my workbench to figure-out how to use it.

Don

Don being both knowledgeable & helpful (as usual )

APR have recently introduced an ECU tune that sets the Stop/Start to off as default, but the driver can re-activate it (if they ever want, which is very rare in my case).

"Finally, the auto start-stop feature is now disabled by default, and can be enabled by clicking the button!"

APR High Output 2.0 TSI/TFSI Gen3 ECU Upgrade for the MQB Platform

[flat6]

Flat6: Hi- great minds think alike (let's not entertain the other side of that saying)!!!

Fact is alas that the only way to achieve your wants is to fit a physical device to car. There are an increasing number of these devices appearing on the market - but those that automatically switch-off SS and then subsequently allow the driver to re-enable SS later in the journey ostensibly work by mimicking the driver pressing the native SS button on the center console.


If you are interested in a REAL (read, more flexible) solution to the way that SS should operate - you could make and install your own device - like THIS - the unit that I made has been working flawlessly for over 5 years!! And, yes after SS is automatically set to off on ignition switch-on, it does allow the driver to re-engage SS later in the journey - not that I have ever done this in the 5 x year period (I hate SS with a vengeance!!)

Or you could buy THIS - it's simple to install (I think/believe) and it has a secret "service" mode for when you take the car to the stealer. But be warned that the unit that I purchased (purely for academic interest - I don't need to replace my self-built device) was delivered with no instructions and I couldn't get any sense from the supplier. I had to mount the device on my workbench to figure-out how to use it.

Don

Thanks for the info Don, Glad i'm not the only one who thought about this

I do remember reading up about this circuit design a while back but it was a lot of work to put together, Greg had a good point, I may speak to the guys at volkwerke next time and see if they can update my tune!

Has anyone actually tested the APR update for this?