Decarbonisation for GTI Mk6 at 2 year service?

[fryad]

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can shed some light on this please?

My GTI went in for its 2 year service at Camberwell Volkswagen this morning with 24,000kms on the clock. They recommended a decarbonising service for $185. I declined.

Trying to find out what this actually IS, I found this thread on the forum: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...ice-58037.html. While the thread discusses what the carbon build up is and that it affects DI engines only, there is not a definitive answer as to whether or not this needs to be done at all! Can someone please advise? A post by Corey makes sense suggesting that carbon build up won't affect performance at all.

Also, a UK forum post suggested that petrol additives can do the job for you. Is there a product in Australia that I could add to the fuel to help decarbonise the valves etc for a lot less than the crazy $185 I was quoted?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[Transporter]

You will not be able to remove the deposit from the valves in the DI engine. These deposits have impact on the performance, since it changes (restricts) the flow into the cylinders.

[Bora Sport]

I have no experience with DI engines however I can tell you that my local VW dealer has been trying to sell me this for the last 8 years and I personally think it is a blatant money grab. I pulled the head off my Vento at around 360,000k's when the cam belt broke and it bent a valve. I replaced the valve and put it back together without doing or replacing anything else (other than head studs and gaskets obviously) and it was still going strong 80,000k's later when my son wrote it off. My mechanic mate said at the time that there was no need to decarbon or clean/decoke the engine or valves at all as it was clean as. I always use 98 octane fuel. My Bora has 250,000k's on it now and runs just fine. These days with electroninc injection and management engines just don't carbon up the way they used to in the old carburettor days.

My 2 cent rant......

[Tim]

I would ask what is involved in their decarbon service.
It definately is a problem on direct injection engines and perhaps cleaning them before they become absolutely filthy is a good idea. Id just be asking which process they use to do it. Only then can you ascertain if it is a worthwhile expense or not.

[fryad]

I'm with you that I suspect it's a 'blatant money grab' so thanks for the 'rant'!

Maybe you're right and just using 98 octane everytime is enough? Thoughts....?

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Thanks Tim. Just got the car back and they said it's a spray they mist through the ports? No product name or anything. I'll email the service mgr and see what the response is.

[Tim]

Sounds similar to the Subaru upper engine cleaner sprays. If thats the case then its a pretty expensive can

[Diesel_vert]

Trying to find out what this actually IS, I found this thread on the forum: http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...ice-58037.html. While the thread discusses what the carbon build up is and that it affects DI engines only, there is not a definitive answer as to whether or not this needs to be done at all! Can someone please advise? A post by Corey makes sense suggesting that carbon build up won't affect performance at all.

It does affect performance, but the severity depends on the specific engine. For example, an Audi RS4 (4.2 V8 FSI) in a worst case scenario, lost up to 40 HP (30 kW).

Related article: "Direct Injection Fouls Some Early Adopters"

Also, a UK forum post suggested that petrol additives can do the job for you. Is there a product in Australia that I could add to the fuel to help decarbonise the valves etc for a lot less than the crazy $185 I was quoted?

$185 is good value if it includes labour costs for taking the valves out of the engine and cleaning them, not so much if they just pour it in the engine.

Maybe you're right and just using 98 octane everytime is enough? Thoughts....?

Same deal as above. Whatever the grade of fuel and its additives, it won't do much to prevent carbon buildup, unfortunately .

[Tim]

As said above. Any additive needs to be sprayed into the air intake tract. Not mixed with the fuel.

On a direct injection engine the fuel is sprayed direct to the cylinder. This is what causes the issue as traditional injection systems spray the fuel into the intake manifold runner or into the head which then has the chance to wash over the valves. This in turn helps to keep them clean as a side effect.

[TomC]

Would a product such as this one - Liqui-Moly Engine Detox Treatment - 500mL - Supercheap Auto Australia - help to decarbonise? Would be interested to know...

[Transporter]

Would a product such as this one - Liqui-Moly Engine Detox Treatment - 500mL - Supercheap Auto Australia - help to decarbonise? Would be interested to know...

It will not reach the valves. It will only clean where the oil flows and the oil galleries.

[The_Hawk]

Be interesting to hear what they *actually* do.

Things like the "injector clean" are usually done on the car without pulling anything out. Sure if they are removed an ultrasonically cleaned it can be good... but it's not usually what happens. I'd guess this falls into that same box.

[kai_h]

Personally, I've always been a fan of the M1 decoke.

Take a nice long drive down the M1...

[whiteVR6]

Personally, I've always been a fan of the M1 decoke.

Take a nice long drive down the M1...

Doesnt do anything

Any of the decarbonising services need to be done every 5k km or they dont work well, all they do is take off the layer of oil that hasnt baked itself onto the intake dividers/valves. The only real fix is to remove intake and clean it by hand!

[Mountainman]

Is this the same as the upper engine cleaner that Subaru use as part of every scheduled service? It costs around $17 and comes out of a can.

[PassatB6]

Rort IMHO I had this offered to me by the dealer regularly some years ago when I bought a new MkIV. Never took up their offer and never regretted it. If its not recommended by VW its not necessary.