MY12 Model changes Golf

[Corey_R]

Hehe - given that the Golf R has a flat-bottom-steering-wheel which can quite easily be operated with your knee, you could probably be arguing with your kids over the volume of the radio whilst eating a hamburger with one hand and smoking and drinking with the other hand... but not alcohol obviously, cause that'd be dangerous

[SChan]

We might be getting "35th edition" GTI here in australia!
check the following link for more info "http://brisbanetimes.drive.com.au/motor-news/vws-hotter-golf-gti-20110511-1ei2g.html"

cheers,

[Flighter]

I'm sure Maverick will stop doing that when he stops seeing Apple customers complaining that the iCrud cable wasn't standard, therefore inconveniencing every non-Apple customer. i.e. never.

Although you are a moderator, which presumably means that you should be setting and following the required standards of behaviour on the forum, it appears by your own use of the term iCrud (above and in earlier threads) that you condone Maverick's choice of language.

[Corey_R]

I can appreciate his position. Especially since I usually have to merge and/or move a thread once or twice a week from another Apple owner who is complaining about not being able to use the MDI without a specific cable without considering any non-Apple user, or the fact that they are the person who decided to purchase a device with a proprietary connection which requires proprietary software to access the music on the device via this proprietary connection...

Maverick is entitled to his opinion, as are you. If his posts were rambling, or insulting, or trashing something he had no experience with, then I'd have an issue with it.

[dave_r]

Although you are a moderator, which presumably means that you should be setting and following the required standards of behaviour on the forum, it appears by your own use of the term iCrud (above and in earlier threads) that you condone Maverick's choice of language.

You can probably get an app called iViolins hehe

[SChan]

Hi,

Can anyone please suggest on the following?

I signed for golf gti on 19th April and on 4th May it was ordered by the dealer (I ordered with mdi and bluetooth - paid $770 for this option).
For sure it's going to be a MY2012 make, that means mdi and bluetooth are going to be standard i.e. at no extra cost!
I had a chat with my dealer about giving some kind of compensation like, free tinted windows and she says NO, they can not do anything!
Should the dealer be giving me some kind of compensation?
Would appreciate any suggestions.
Cheers,

[Maverick]

Hi,

Can anyone please suggest on the following?

I signed for golf gti on 19th April and on 4th May it was ordered by the dealer (I ordered with mdi and bluetooth - paid $770 for this option).
For sure it's going to be a MY2012 make, that means mdi and bluetooth are going to be standard i.e. at no extra cost!
I had a chat with my dealer about giving some kind of compensation like, free tinted windows and she says NO, they can not do anything!
Should the dealer be giving me some kind of compensation?
Would appreciate any suggestions.
Cheers,

You signed a contract which is binding on both parties. The dealer negotiated a price with you based on it's cost at that time from VW. The new pricing whilst lower at retail will also have a reduced margin for the dealers so you can understand they don't want to cut their margin by effectively $700.

When they ordered they included the mdi as an option, on the my12 it's standard and my understanding is the dealer has to pay the price at the time of order as do you.

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[SChan]

Scratch that... another dealer just confirmed that BT and MDI are standard for MY12. Apparently a service bulletin came out this week, confirming the changes. No other changes for the GTI were listed.

Chopper,

My dealer just confirmed that MDI and BT now come standard. Do you know when did the MY2012 bulletin come out for golf gti?

[chopper]

Chopper,

My dealer just confirmed that MDI and BT now come standard. Do you know when did the MY2012 bulletin come out for golf gti?

I only asked at the start of last week, and had it confirmed by another dealer on the weekend (I never just
Trust what one dealer says, so I wait for independent verification - have been burnt too many times, like being told my MY11.5 with Xenons wouldn't have LED DRL!)... so, I believe the dealers were made aware of the changes at least two weeks ago, but more likely from the start of this thread... which is how I believe this thread began.

I am wondering myself about my contract... however, since I paid less than the price that the car would be under the "driveaway" promotion, I'm not too sure that it would do too much good (plus, my car is built, on the water and is a MY11.5!)!

I'm the biggest tight arse I know and I hate paying more than I have to for anything... but I figure if I worry too much about these things, it might well ruin the experience of ownership!

However...

If you do want to take up the fight, I suspect that the dealer is selling you a load of ****! They would be paying for the car on delivery... which I suspect means that their "wholesale" price will be lower as an MY12 car to what was priced! Despite what the other post said... I suspect that VWA has added the items in response to the higher AUD, and typically a MY change is the time of year when VWA locks in the exchange rate with the factory and was able to negotiate a better deal... thus was able to add extra gear to the car with the savings. In short... the dealer is making more money from your car.

What can you do...

1. Speak with the dealer again... sometimes persistence pays off!

2. Find a way to break the contract... there are many ways to break the contract (ie. Late or delayed cars) without penalty. See if there is a loophole (did they put an estimated delivery date on the contract? Is it deliverable in that time frame?).

3. Speak with the Fair Trading Department in your state... maybe even file a complaint. Perhaps the mere mention of this will get the dealer to meet you in the middle (NOTE: I am not too sure you actually have a legal leg to stand on with this one... but could be worth doing!).

So... the question you have to ask is... is all this worth it? Remember... at the end of the day, this might be the dealer that actually does deliver your car! Is it worth creating the aggravation for yourself and them and possibly ruining the experience of ownership. I'm not saying don't, if you feel strongly about it, go right ahead. I can say from personal experience... I've had a run in with a dealer in my younger days (OK... 4 years ago!) over a few matters, dug my heals in and won, but it ruined the experience of having that new car... and I went on to sell it 18 months later. I just didn't "love" it anymore. I don't think I'd do it again!

Once you get behind the wheel... hopefully all will be forgotten!

[MiiLos]

considering 95% of the population outside of these types of forums wont even know that there are any changes associated with MY builds, i think there is no point of taking it any further with the dealer.. you signed a contract on what was discussed at the time. when you sign a contract it is agreed by both parties at the time it is signed.. it wouldn't be called a contract if you could go asking for discounts once its signed.

[m_f]

3. Speak with the Fair Trading Department in your state... maybe even file a complaint. Perhaps the mere mention of this will get the dealer to meet you in the middle (NOTE: I am not too sure you actually have a legal leg to stand on with this one... but could be worth doing!).

So... the question you have to ask is... is all this worth it? Remember... at the end of the day, this might be the dealer that actually does deliver your car! Is it worth creating the aggravation for yourself and them and possibly ruining the experience of ownership. I'm not saying don't, if you feel strongly about it, go right ahead. I can say from personal experience... I've had a run in with a dealer in my younger days (OK... 4 years ago!) over a few matters, dug my heals in and won, but it ruined the experience of having that new car... and I went on to sell it 18 months later. I just didn't "love" it anymore. I don't think I'd do it again!

To be honest, he ordered his car before VW confirmed the changes. Just live with it. There's nothing Fair Trading can do. As MiiLos said, a contract is a binding agreement between the two parties at the time the contract was signed.

The last option is to cancel his order and re-order with the dealer. But the waiting times make that option not worth it!

[Maverick]

I only asked at the start of last week, and had it confirmed by another dealer on the weekend (I never just
Trust what one dealer says, so I wait for independent verification - have been burnt too many times, like being told my MY11.5 with Xenons wouldn't have LED DRL!)... so, I believe the dealers were made aware of the changes at least two weeks ago, but more likely from the start of this thread... which is how I believe this thread began.

There is a difference between when the dealers are informally notified about possible upcoming changes and when they receive official notification and can order.

If you do want to take up the fight, I suspect that the dealer is selling you a load of ****! They would be paying for the car on delivery... which I suspect means that their "wholesale" price will be lower as an MY12 car to what was priced! Despite what the other post said... I suspect that VWA has added the items in response to the higher AUD, and typically a MY change is the time of year when VWA locks in the exchange rate with the factory and was able to negotiate a better deal... thus was able to add extra gear to the car with the savings. In short... the dealer is making more money from your car.

When they pay for the car isn't relevant as to the price, the price would be set when the dealer orders which is also when they have negotiated the deal with the purchaser, no business could operate on ordering something at a contracted price without knowing how much they would be paying for it in 6-9-12-15 months when it arrives. The AUD isn't going strong either, don't confuse the USD tanking with us having a strong dollar. And the dealer is not Volkswagen, Volkswagen charge the dealer a price and this doesn't change with the exchange rate, Volkswagen are the ones who make losses at times with the dollar and make it back at other times.

2. Find a way to break the contract... there are many ways to break the contract (ie. Late or delayed cars) without penalty. See if there is a loophole (did they put an estimated delivery date on the contract? Is it deliverable in that time frame?).

And risk paying more for the car and wait longer.

3. Speak with the Fair Trading Department in your state... maybe even file a complaint. Perhaps the mere mention of this will get the dealer to meet you in the middle (NOTE: I am not too sure you actually have a legal leg to stand on with this one... but could be worth doing!).

Ridiculous, expect to get ****house service after this is tried, a contract has been signed and this is a legally binding agreement. There is no point whining because someone else may get a better deal or they come out with an updated model with a higher spec.

[chopper]

When they pay for the car isn't relevant as to the price, the price would be set when the dealer orders which is also when they have negotiated the deal with the purchaser, no business could operate on ordering something at a contracted price without knowing how much they would be paying for it in 6-9-12-15 months when it arrives. The AUD isn't going strong either, don't confuse the USD tanking with us having a strong dollar. And the dealer is not Volkswagen, Volkswagen charge the dealer a price and this doesn't change with the exchange rate, Volkswagen are the ones who make losses at times with the dollar and make it back at other times.

I'm not referring to the USD... the AUD V's EUR is up about 13% from early last year. VWA locks in an exchange rate with the factory for an extended period, so they are never making a loss and ensures the cars are able to be sold without varying the price constantly. VWA can charge the dealers the same amount for the cars, regardless of exchange rate... because they also pay the same, regardless of exchange rate. VWA is probably still paying the same amount in AUD for the cars as they were last year, even though the AUD is worth so much more. On the flip side... if the AUD crashed, VWA would be somewhat protected for a period of time. Anyways... enough of ECO101...

My only point was that VWA has probably recently renegotiated the exchange (which would obviously be in VWA's favour). Instead of dropping the price (and hurting all our resale values) they have probably added the extra equipment for a similar total unit price (also makes the car more competitive amongst it's competition). SChan's dealer would have priced delivering the car at the old rates... charging for the BT and MDI. I suspect however... the dealer will end up paying less for the car as a result of a specifications change, yet doesn't want to pass it on. While the dealer may order the car... they don't pay for it until it arrives. No one is going to be worse off for giving SChan the difference back... all that is happening is the dealer is keeping the extra. But... you are right, he has signed a contract.

And risk paying more for the car and wait longer.

That's for SChan to decide...

Ridiculous, expect to get ****house service after this is tried, a contract has been signed and this is a legally binding agreement. There is no point whining because someone else may get a better deal or they come out with an updated model with a higher spec.

OK?! I'm happy to put this down to a difference of opinion... I don't think it would be ridiculous to seek some advice from Fair Trading (especially seeing as each option would be itemised on the contract... opening up a few questions as to why they are charging for something that is now included). Remember, a contract protects both parties in an agreement, there may be protections in it for SChan (I have no idea what is in the contract fine print) with regards to this matter. If he felt it was worth perusing, a complaint may help him find a resolution.

If you read my post... you will see that I do caution that there are risks in perusing this course of action. I also said that this was not something I would go through with.

[SChan]

Thanks for your valuable input guys. Much appreciate that.

My contract says - if the price of the car goes up , i will have to pay the difference. Now if that happens (increase in price) because of MDI and BT being offered as standard , i will be paying for something that i have already paid and that does not make sense to me!

I will talk to the dealer tomorrow and will keep you posted.

My dealer has confirmed that for MY2012 models MDI and BT are standard but are not sure about any price changes!!!

Thanks again.

[xordis]

My contract says - if the price of the car goes up , i will have to pay the difference. Now if that happens (increase in price) because of MDI and BT being offered as standard , i will be paying for something that i have already paid and that does not make sense to me!

Now that truly does suck.
If you sign a contract at a price they should honour it.