VW Scirocco for Australia. Any Golf R buyers thinking of swapping?

[REXman]

It could be at the top of the time sheets, that doesn't mean anything to me. While impressive performance wise, I still wouldn't buy one.

This is what I mean. Its a different car, for a different market. I wouldnt buy one either. And no I would not cancel my R order for one of these.

Same reason I wasnt into the Focus. There was a time I didnt mind this sort of thing. And I do like it in a way. Mad front end. But for my coin, its gotta be something nice and simple for every day. Otherwise I would have bought an STI!!

But I dont see why we you would be asking R owners If we would change?? Obviously a lot of people would'nt, which is exactly what I suspected.

Its a new model, introduce it talk about it. Compare it even as thats fair game, but then be done I reckon.

Or ask GTI 3 door owners If they would have gotten it instead????

If I do change my mind I'll let you know.

Also, You know the Roc is cheaper than the R in the UK.. By 2000 pounds.

Will it be more here I wonder?

[guest12345]

people won't "regret" they are getting the golf R, but i know a few people who wanted the scirocco R but VWAUS said they were definitely not bringing them in, therefore went for the Golf R instead. At the end of the day the Golf R should be the better car, therefore regret would be minimal, it wouldn't be as bad as those who ordered the gti days/weeks before the Golf R was announced lol

Scirocco R is a beautiful car though, plus it doesn't have 6-7 different models under it which looks practically the same!!!

As for the practicality, people make it sound like the scirocco is alot smaller than the golf, when it is not. Yes it is 4 seats compared to 5. BUT people who buy the Scirocco R would be the same people who buy the Golf range in 3 doors, they don't intend for the backseat to be used regularly.

The scirocco would be even more focused on the singles/couples who don't intend to have any children, which would make it rarer in australia which isn't a bad thing at all.

[pologti18t]

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/stig-hillclimb-scirocco-r

[bcm]

My 2c. I think the Golf R actually looks better than the Sirocco. The front of the Sirrocco is great. The back is very awkward. Almost verging on the same awkardness as the last gen Renault Megane.

[kaanage]

But in any case, just because it's not your opinion, SilvrFoxX, does mean someone else's opinion is "a load". Lets not drag this thread down to the point where I have to start handing out infractions.

Pretty unfair to SilvrFoxX when his reference to "a load" was to den25 saying

original hatch wasn't 5 doors. hatch is suppose to be 3 doors.

IF you need a 5 door car because of kids or because you need to put stuff in the back? buy a sedan. 3 doors over 5 doors anyday.

I've stated that I'd prefer a Sirocco the a 3 door Golf (like den525) in another thread but that's my preference as I personally find 5 door cars MUCH more practical than 3 doors EXCEPT for the very good point you made about the 5 door B pillar blocking visibility. Then again, I'm not that tall (~170cm) which is possibly why I find the Golf 5 door passenger side vision better than my previous 5 door Focus.

As for the 3 door being more rigid than the 5 door, the Sirocco would be more rigid again (possibly a factor in the lap times posted as well as the lighter weight) so it's more 'practical' in that sense.

My 2c. I think the Golf R actually looks better than the Sirocco. The front of the Sirrocco is great. The back is very awkward. Almost verging on the same awkardness as the last gen Renault Megane.

I thought the same until I saw some driving around in Singapore - it looks much more a complete package in the metal IMO.

And to those comparing the Sirocco to a Beetle?? That's really unfair as the Beetle is all about pose and fake chic while the Sirocco at least has it's own identity.

[Big_Dave]

hmmm, don't think I'd sway but I'd look hard at it when buying my next car, it is a fantastic little car, its also the quickest of the current VW hatches... and before people harp on about the AWD Golf R, consider this

Autozeitung test track, Germany
Porsche GT2 RS - 1:33.84
ZR-1 - 1:34.10
GTR R35 - 1:35.60
EVO X MR - 1:41.60
Audi TT-RS - 1:41.8
Sirocco R - 1:42.6
Megane RS MKIII - 1:42.7
Golf R - 1:43.7
Focus RS MKII - 1:44.1
Mazda 3 MPS MKII - 1:45.3
BMW 335i - 1:45.8
MKVI Golf GTI - 1:45.9
Focus ST - 1:46.9
BMW 135i - 1:46.9
Sircco 1.4 TSI - 1:47.1
MKV Golf GTI - 1:47.7
MKV Golf R32: 1:47.8
MKV Pirelli GTI - 1:49.2
MY10 POLO GTI - 1.49.7
Civic FN2 R - 1:51.0

Nath, interesting you didn't show the Nurburgring times?
Golf R 7 secs faster than the Scirocco R.
And both times driven by same driver - Hans Stuck (Legend)

[Big_Dave]

Also I think Scirocco IS a better looking car.
However, after watching lots of european reviews and comparo's on the 'Roc, a common comment is the distinct difference in internal size.
It appears to be marketed towards the singles/CWOK markets.
Love the rounded arches especially back 3/4.

[AlpineM3E92]

I took these couple of shots in Germany earlier this year. After seeing it in the metal I was very underwhelmed. It looks like a Golf that stayed just that bit too long in the microwave and melted it's ar5e off.





Anyway each to his own, I wont be changing my order (even though I just found out today that it has slipped from a Feb delivery to a March one).

[Nath]

Nath, interesting you didn't show the Nurburgring times?
Golf R 7 secs faster than the Scirocco R.
And both times driven by same driver - Hans Stuck (Legend)

mate thats all the data that was on a post on a different forum, didn't put it together, just posted it here, wasn't even aware of ring times

[Buller_Scott]

Firstly it's not confirmed.

To quote Anke Koeckler correctly:


So last I checked in the dictionary, the words "probably" and "grinned" did were not in the definition for "confirmed".


The next thing is, the Scirocco is a completely differerent car:
1) It's 3 door only
2) Beyond the 3 door only, it's 4 seat only. The space in the rear is substantially thinner, and there is not even a "bench" between the two rear seats. In other words, if you have two adults in the back, their arms will possibly touch each other. (see picture below)
3) The boot is also substantially smaller, and load through even less useful than the Golf's, due to the much thinner opening and shorter boot and seats which fold even less flat.
4) The Scirocco R is only FWD.

So this thread should really be titled Any Golf GTI 3 door buyers thinking of swapping?
In any case, my answer is no.

corey, i thought you didnt advocate 4 door hatches?

and anyway... according to a showdown at tsukuba raceway (youtube was in japanese, i posted it a while ago), the scirocco beats the mitsu evo X, beats the STI, beats the civic R japan spec, beats the golf R.

i dont get it, mate- you're all about space and function, yet in other threads you're all about how crap 4 door hatches are, because they're just not sporty, and who piles 5 peeps into their hatch most of the time anyway?

i love it!

the test's been done. the 'rocco is a better car. sorry.......

it's just a simple fact....

[Converted]

I've never trusted those japanese tests because in each of the car there are different drivers. So I would say if they are close enough to each other across the finishing line, take it with a bit of salt.
Also, if you watch most of them, you'll notice discrepencies between their comparisons in different episodes when they race the same model cars.

From that pic above, headroom around the back seats of the Roc seems pretty low.

[Tim]

I think you guys are all proving that VWA were stupid to think that the scirocco will steal sales from the Golf. It seems pretty clear that they appeal to two completely different types of people.

[Buller_Scott]

I've never trusted those japanese tests because in each of the car there are different drivers.

that's cool. so you wouldnt take 5 V8 supercar racers from the same era, racing different cars against each other, seriously...

that's cool.

or is it coz you dont know what they're saying?

because i translated the in-cabin commentary when i posted that vid around tsukuba.

lol..... the japanese had more to prove, than some VW forum from another hemisphere.... im sure they'd be flattered. send 'em an email!

basically, regarding your trust of their ability to slaughter any driver you WOULD trust, around a track, having hailed from japanese F1...

you should tell them "i never trusted you, because i like my recent purchase".

to which they would reply (in japanese, mind you): hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

the 'rocco won. sorry.

(if you really need to know, the drivers actually had a bet on that day, for that night. pm me if you're really that keen on learning japanese. でしょう？).

[Corey_R]

corey, i thought you didnt advocate 4 door hatches? <snip>

I don't. 4/5 door hatches suck (IMO). I'll never own one. I've said before, if you _really_ need a 5 door hatch, you need a wagon! hehe
This doesn't mean that you can't have a great looking 3 door hatch which is also practical. Practical for me meaning being able to throw some furniture, or a quad speaker guitar cabinent, or a heap of computer equipment, or 4 mates, into the car, on the odd occasion you need to.

The Scirocco just can't do that. So you may as well have a "real" 2 door coupe, such as a BMW 135i. That has more boot space than the Scirocco

[Mountainman]

I don't. 4/5 door hatches suck (IMO). I'll never own one. I've said before, if you _really_ need a 5 door hatch, you need a wagon!

Which brings us to, "When does a hatch become a wagon?" And, "Why does the convenience of being able to open the rear doors for access mean it also has to be a wagon?" I thought people wanting a wagon would be looking for a longer luggage area.

Every day I'm opening the rear doors of both our cars to put things on the back seat and my wife does the same, and after having had the inconvenience of accessing the rear seat in a 2 door hatch we hired we know what suits us. Try dropping off 2 kids at school in a 2 door car with 2 adults who don't want to get out in the rain and you'll soon appreciate 4 doors. Also what we have found is the useable luggage space of our Golf hatch is almost identical to our Forester wagon.