VW Scirocco for Australia. Any Golf R buyers thinking of swapping?

[pologti18t]

Link from in here

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f48/volkswagen-scirocco-coming-australia-2011-launch-52508.html

[Corey_R]

Firstly it's not confirmed.

To quote Anke Koeckler correctly:

"It's probably more a matter of when [it will arrive]," Koeckler told Drive.
Quizzed further on the timing of its arrival, Koeckler grinned at the suggestion of a 2011 release.

So last I checked in the dictionary, the words "probably" and "grinned" did were not in the definition for "confirmed".


The next thing is, the Scirocco is a completely differerent car:
1) It's 3 door only
2) Beyond the 3 door only, it's 4 seat only. The space in the rear is substantially thinner, and there is not even a "bench" between the two rear seats. In other words, if you have two adults in the back, their arms will possibly touch each other. (see picture below)
3) The boot is also substantially smaller, and load through even less useful than the Golf's, due to the much thinner opening and shorter boot and seats which fold even less flat.
4) The Scirocco R is only FWD.

So this thread should really be titled Any Golf GTI 3 door buyers thinking of swapping?
In any case, my answer is no.

[Jasonpb]

Three Door is the best IMO, I originally ordered my golf R in 5 door then changed the order to three door after seeing one. I sure wouldn't trade my golf R for one but I am curious to test drive one and see what they are like.

[Corey_R]

Oh don't get me wrong. You're too new at these forums to remember my "3 door crusade" which actually played a part in changing Volkswagen Group Australia's decision to remove the 3 door GTI from the market and not bring the 3 door Golf R to the market. So I'm 100% pro 3 door hatchback. In my view, having those extra two doors makes hatchbacks less practical (since there is no increase in wheel base which goes hand-in-hand with the extra doors). This still doesn't change the fact that the Scirocco is too impractical to meet my needs due to the points in my first post.

[SilvrFoxX]

In my view, having those extra two doors makes hatchbacks less practical (since there is no increase in wheel base which goes hand-in-hand with the extra doors).

wtf..? how does having more doors make it less practicle..

[team_v]

wtf..? how does having more doors make it less practicle..

Apparently the location of the B pillar and loss of rigidity.

[SilvrFoxX]

Apparently the location of the B pillar and loss of rigidity.

pfft.. like it is practical having to move the seats forward all the time to put the kids in..bugger that

[team_v]

pfft.. like it is practical having to move the seats forward all the time to put the kids in..bugger that

That is my thoughts too but apprently most of the 3 door protagonists claim they will never have to use the back seat or if they do, also the door is said to be longer and allows a more open space to access the rear seats when the front seat is tilted forward.

[guest12345]

original hatch wasn't 5 doors. hatch is suppose to be 3 doors.

IF you need a 5 door car because of kids or because you need to put stuff in the back? buy a sedan. 3 doors over 5 doors anyday.

The door is not "said" to be longer, it is a fact that it is longer. 5 doors actually make both doors to small for the car, if you don't need the extra 2 doors majority of the time, there is really no point getting 5 doors.

As for scirocco, it is a HOT car. I would give up the practicality for that exterior, the golf R is not ugly, but compared to the scirocco R? it is fugly! AWD is only a small matter, not everyone likes awd, fwd is funner to drive.

[SilvrFoxX]

original hatch wasn't 5 doors. hatch is suppose to be 3 doors.

IF you need a 5 door car because of kids or because you need to put stuff in the back? buy a sedan. 3 doors over 5 doors anyday.

The door is not "said" to be longer, it is a fact that it is longer. 5 doors actually make both doors to small for the car, if you don't need the extra 2 doors majority of the time, there is really no point getting 5 doors.

As for scirocco, it is a HOT car. I would give up the practicality for that exterior, the golf R is not ugly, but compared to the scirocco R? it is fugly! AWD is only a small matter, not everyone likes awd, fwd is funner to drive.

What a load.. if the arguement is going to be "if you want xxx then go buy a xxx.." If you want a 2 door go buy an mx5.. does that make any more sense..?

I have no issue with 3 door hatchbacks just havnt read the rulebook that indicates what the definition of a hatch is supposed to be it appears

[MurphyTheElf]

original hatch wasn't 5 doors. hatch is suppose to be 3 doors.

IF you need a 5 door car because of kids or because you need to put stuff in the back? buy a sedan. 3 doors over 5 doors anyday.

Does a sedan allow me to easily carry passengers in the back seats and a dog in the boot? Certainly not legally. A 5-door hatch gives me a small car with the convenience of a much larger vehicle.

The hatchback was never conceived as a 3-door-only contraption. To state otherwise is absurd.

The door is not "said" to be longer, it is a fact that it is longer. 5 doors actually make both doors to small for the car, if you don't need the extra 2 doors majority of the time, there is really no point getting 5 doors.

Yes, the doors are shorter on a 5-door. Much easier to open in tight garages and carparks, and much easier to load the back seat.

I'm not attacking the 3-door, since there are some advantages, but convenience is not one of them.

[Jasonpb]

Does a sedan allow me to easily carry passengers in the back seats and a dog in the boot? Certainly not legally. A 5-door hatch gives me a small car with the convenience of a much larger vehicle.

The hatchback was never conceived as a 3-door-only contraption. To state otherwise is absurd.



Yes, the doors are shorter on a 5-door. Much easier to open in tight garages and carparks, and much easier to load the back seat.

I'm not attacking the 3-door, since there are some advantages, but convenience is not one of them.

I got a 5 door and a 3 door though it's the new polo that's the 5 door so a smaller car, to be frank it's easier getting people into the back of the R than into the rear of the polo and a few people have commented how easy it was to get into the rear of the R which surprised them. I often hit my knees on the back of the seat getting into the polo, still the space is rather impressive for a small car.

I will agree that the larger doors can be a pain in tight spots but it has to be a pretty tight spot to annoy me in which case the 5 door will probably have the same issue.

[guest12345]

What a load.. if the arguement is going to be "if you want xxx then go buy a xxx.." If you want a 2 door go buy an mx5.. does that make any more sense..?

I have no issue with 3 door hatchbacks just havnt read the rulebook that indicates what the definition of a hatch is supposed to be it appears

Well it is only my opinion that people with a family should get a sedan if budget allow it. If i have kids i wouldn't be getting a golf. My opinion of a hatch back is 3 doors, it is a small car and not a people mover, the 2 seats in the back for me is just take people occasionally, the 2 back seats aren't exactly the most comfortable for 4 adults.

Does a sedan allow me to easily carry passengers in the back seats and a dog in the boot? Certainly not legally. A 5-door hatch gives me a small car with the convenience of a much larger vehicle.

The hatchback was never conceived as a 3-door-only contraption. To state otherwise is absurd.



Yes, the doors are shorter on a 5-door. Much easier to open in tight garages and carparks, and much easier to load the back seat.

I'm not attacking the 3-door, since there are some advantages, but convenience is not one of them.

Hence why i said if you don't need it, you should go for 3 doors. If you have a dog and have to take passengers there is a need for 5 doors. What i said was the hatch was originally designed to be 3 doors, it was originally designed as a small car.

I have nothing against 5 doors, all i'm saying is 3 doors is my preference and the hatch is better suited as a 3 door.

[Mr_Bob]

If i was in charge at VW, the Scirocco R would be AWD, which means no need for a Golf R.
While the Scirocco is still FWD, i don't regret my purchase at all!

[ethosguy]

IF you need a 5 door car because of kids or because you need to put stuff in the back? buy a sedan. 3 doors over 5 doors anyday.

...more pfft...sedans are as much of an anathena to performance as FWD?..a 3 door hatch for one person...
Buy a motorbike, lol.
5 door hatch to carry people (esp. kids).
A wagon to go anywhere out of town with 'em.
FWD if you want to go backwards (IMO, lol)...in comming rounds...not everyone likes FWD either...
FWD merit is good packaging and low manufacturing cost & good efficiency. I reckon 'Sicrocco' is (and always has been) a marketing exploit of a Golf platform. German hairdresser car...strong emphasis on style.
Given my druthers I'd be ticking 3 door R but I out lived that life phase so I'll take a 5 door one, thanks.
Or a RWD, 3dr Scirocco or better still, one with AWD, RS32.5 5 pot & brakes...ahhh a good looking TTRS...parts bin manufacturing.
Somehow I doubt VW will be so accommodating. Maybe a Hot Tuna; Guy project car???