Golf R Observations and Questions

[dave_r]

Yeah I know you did, but you're not an official rep from the company that I know of so while you might be right, it doesn't change the fact that part of the info I based my purchase is written as I said.

Other cars getting 188kw doesn't have any relevance to me as per the usual dyno variances. I think mine is a fair representation for my situation as its before/after and the same conditions.

The DSG appeared to be difficult to have stay in 4th gear in manual mode as too much throttle early on seemed to want to drop a gear. I don't know if they need to just floor it or not or if it was a true manual how it would change things at all. As I said, I'm just putting my experience/observations out there.

It would be nice if the dealer I went to had a dyno facility to do before and after runs but AWD dyno's aren't exactly cheap to have sitting around given they don't do any of their own tuning. I know the other APR dealer down here does but getting out to bayswater is a pain in the arse.

[Corey_R]

I understand the variances in dynos... they are sucky. But my understanding is Fab_R's was on the same dyno on the same day, and there shouldn't be such a large difference in peak figures between your car and his. That's the point that I'm trying to get at.

As for DSG being difficult to stay in 4th gear, as long as you are above the minimum speed (~1300rpm) and it's actually in M, and the operator doesn't go past the resistance point of 100% throttle to hit the kick down switch - it should stay in 4th.

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The Stage 1 tune has an improvement but IMO, APR's claims are slightly misleading. I'm not interested in peak numbers, but was hoping for more power much earlier.

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APR have been missing the mark on most of its tunes I've ever seen. Not a single APR 9N3 Polo GTI has got anywhere near the claimed numbers, and the APR tunes are a good 2-3psi down on the rival GIAC/REVO tunes.

That said, very suprised on the low dyno reading of your stock tune. Barely above 140kw @ wheels... which is not 188kw @ fly (my MY05 WRX WRP10 did 140.3kw @ all fours stock, and it was 175kw @ fly).

Could be a low dyno though.

[dave_r]

Forget the actual numbers, just look at the differences, comparing to other cars or dynos doesn't mean much. I'll try and get onto the dealer/APR later today and have a chat about the results, just a bit busy this morning.

[Corey_R]

Forget the actual numbers, just look at the differences, comparing to other cars or dynos doesn't mean much.

Exactly. It's the delta between the before and after which is what's important, not the peak numbers due to dyno differentiations.

[Blod]

Fab_R, don't get me wrong, I am all for sharing the vids but just wondering if nanny state (VIC) cops can actually came after you for "hooning" based on the vids.

But he said he only does this stuff on 100kph zones... ROFL

[markwid]

But he said he only does this stuff on 100kph zones... ROFL

Those suburban streets in the vids have been revised to 100kph zones? Fantastic news!

[ferret]

Latest Drive by Vid’s with some WOT!
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Dyno time

YouTube - Golf R Fab_R Dyno Run

Interesting videos racing up and down the street but where are the 1/4 mile times to compare against? Any gtech times on those runs? We all know tuners stats never live up to what's advertised as some posters have already stated and assumptions of 12 second stage 2 golf R's cars are fairy tales unless you put your money where your mouth is and go to the drag strip. I pulled a 13.74 on my runs which I already posted so I'm keen to see what all the stage 2 boys can pull....

[Corey_R]

Guys, very obviously, 1/4 mile times cannot be done on public roads, so please stop asking for them.

I also don't see any videos anywhere of people racing up and down streets. Just because you have WOT doesn't mean you're racing. You can still use WOT in short bursts whilst obeying the laws.

[dave_r]

I pulled a 13.74 on my runs

Was that stock or stage 1, I don't recall?

My issue down here is calder now charges a stupid $80 to goto the drags which goes to that fat **** bob jane who never seems to reinvest anything in making the facility better. As I understand both QLD and NSW have much better facilities, though not sure of the cost. Every time I've been to Calder, its 4hrs of standing around for 2-3 runs at best.

[Fab_R]

Guys, very obviously, 1/4 mile times cannot be done on public roads, so please stop asking for them.

I also don't see any videos anywhere of people racing up and down streets. Just because you have WOT doesn't mean you're racing. You can still use WOT in short bursts whilst obeying the laws.

Correct, 60k was not exceeded and this was a 60km limit street...

[Fab_R]

Was that stock or stage 1, I don't recall?

My issue down here is calder now charges a stupid $80 to goto the drags which goes to that fat **** bob jane who never seems to reinvest anything in making the facility better. As I understand both QLD and NSW have much better facilities, though not sure of the cost. Every time I've been to Calder, its 4hrs of standing around for 2-3 runs at best.

Thats right Dave, it is a joke and thats one of the reasons why im not jumping out of my skin to get down there.

[ferret]

Was that stock or stage 1, I don't recall?

My issue down here is calder now charges a stupid $80 to goto the drags which goes to that fat **** bob jane who never seems to reinvest anything in making the facility better. As I understand both QLD and NSW have much better facilities, though not sure of the cost. Every time I've been to Calder, its 4hrs of standing around for 2-3 runs at best.

I've never asked or suggested anyone to do 1/4 mile times on the streets, only the dragways. In Sydney it costs $50 at Eastern creek and when it gets busy it's the same 2-3 runs a night.

I only have a stage 1 tune but my R is in the middle of a stage 2 upgrade and I'll take it down for another run when it's complete so I can compare the times. All I'm getting at in my posts is lots of people backing up ambiguous figures and complaining about ruining drive trains, temperature of the track, queues at drag strips etc. In that case sell your car and buy a ford fiesta (Not the one Ken Block drives). We have the same queues here and when I went to the strip it was over 35 degrees and yes the car "may" have performed slightly better if it was 20 degrees but I have to wait until Autumn/Winter to prove it but by then I will have stage 2.

I just don't see the point in trumping up figures of this and that then hearing excuses of not proving it and I'm sure a lot of readers think the same. Everyone would like to know how stock, stage 1, stage 2 and stage 3 cars do on the strip and as soon as I get my stage 2 done I'll post my figures. From reading the times on this forum we have so far:

Stock: 14.2X (The other guy who posted on my thread)
Stage 1: 13.74 (my car)
Stage 2: ??.?? (If someone has a time please post or maybe I missed it some where)

I'll be one of the first to congratulate anyone doing a quick time on the 1/4 mile but if you're not prepared to prove it, there's no need to blow your trumpet on something that hasn't happened or something that you think will happen.

[dave_r]

Whose trumping figures and doing excuses? People said it felt like a quick car and it is. Whether its 12sec quick or 13sec quick is irrelevant. The Gtech figures are also just an easy way of doing quick comparisons to get a rough idea of how the mods have impacted performance, no one said they were exact measurements.

You're getting a bit carried away mate. If you need time slips to feel great about your car then good for you!

[Corey_R]

I just don't see the point in trumping up figures of this and that then hearing excuses of not proving it and I'm sure a lot of readers think the same. Everyone would like to know how stock, stage 1, stage 2 and stage 3 cars do on the strip and as soon as I get my stage 2 done I'll post my figures.

Whilst the Golf R is a new car, the Audi S3 isn't. So depending on who has been doing the "trumping up figures of this and that", it may be based on the Audi S3 times etc given how close the two cars are.

But what you mention in the rest of your post has merrit. Temps can make a big difference, as can track condition. Also, peoples unfamiliarity with how to set up their car (tyre pressures etc) and how to launch their car can also make times worse than they could be. There's a decent learning curve to start with, and unfortunately 2 or 3 runs usually isn't enough for someone to learn.