Golf R Observations and Questions

[Ideo]

Why do so many bogans in VLs, riced Civics and dropped Mitsi wagons feel the need to try and race me when clearly I show no interest

The R is hardly overtly racey looking and I rarely exceed the speed limit.

One idiot tonight felt the need to purposely speed up and slow down next to me for 5 km's or more along 3 (Mona Vale Road)

I only have a blast if someone is in a nice car and shows some respect.

There's a couple of M3s around me, and we have a nod of the head, smile and a quick blat. Nothing aggressive, just a bit of fun.

[Candyman]

This result beats any stage 1 Golf R tune (by a long way) and many stage 2 tunes (only basing that comment on the posted dyno result). I realise this could be a one-off weird result but am posting it, as is, given that the tuner is posting it up as a valid result. Beats most stage 1 tunes by 30 kw.

No hardware modifications apparently, tune only - 210 kwatw ......

That is going to be interesting with summer approaching.

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[AdamD]

This result beats any stage 1 Golf R tune (by a long way) and many stage 2 tunes (only basing that comment on the posted dyno result). I realise this could be a one-off weird result but am posting it, as is, given that the tuner is posting it up as a valid result. Beats most stage 1 tunes by 30 kw.

No hardware modifications apparently, tune only - 210 kwatw ......

That is going to be interesting with summer approaching.

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I am... sceptical. There's no magical untapped resource in the EA113/K04 that all the other tuners haven't yet discovered. Until we see a car with this tune compared to comparable others running competing tunes, on the same dyno with the same operator on the same day under the same environmental conditions, I'm calling shenanigans on that one. Either that or it should be classified as a motorsport tune and requires 104RON fuel to achieve the numbers...

[Candyman]

I don't disagree with anything you said Adam .....

[Ideo]

I am... sceptical. There's no magical untapped resource in the EA113/K04 that all the other tuners haven't yet discovered. Until we see a car with this tune compared to comparable others running competing tunes, on the same dyno with the same operator on the same day under the same environmental conditions, I'm calling shenanigans on that one. Either that or it should be classified as a motorsport tune and requires 104RON fuel to achieve the numbers...

C and V Performance, where the tune was done, are big fans of NOS.

Just saying like.

[Candyman]

LOL, ATPG have already said on the FB page this is a stock R, AWD dyno, no NOS

Anyway, I agree, with no hardware changes (intake, DP, HPFP, injectors etc) this is a dyno issue most likely.

I tried to make out the before and after curves but they didn't make sense and there isnt a lot of detail on the chart.

Still, they mention new customised tuning and something about this R, being so new, has some new manufacturer software on it ?

[Ideo]

LOL, ATPG have already said on the FB page this is a stock R, AWD dyno, no NOS

Anyway, I agree, with no hardware changes (intake, DP, HPFP, injectors etc) this is a dyno issue most likely.

I tried to make out the before and after curves but they didn't make sense and there isnt a lot of detail on the chart.

Still, they mention new customised tuning and something about this R, being so new, has some new manufacturer software on it ?

Ah, I don't do facebook.

Yeah, dyno issue is most likely. Lack of info makes it hard to tell. If it is a genuine, safe result then good on them.

[SilvrFoxX]

Hmmm wht would Parso say..?

Anyway is it an impossibility or improbability..? What I mean is canit be achieved and we can agree that it is unstabl and unreliable or is it a case of No Wai

[tonymy01]

The torque curve looks wrong. Wonder if they played with ramp rate or ran in a different gear?
Haven't seen too many R's with a constantly rising torque curve,95% have that rapid peak, then slow decay (like the red torque curve).

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[chylld]

is it a case of No Wai

revealing the boost pressure certainly appears to be

[Candyman]

1.4 bar apparently .... with access to the damos files which they say they have

What they say they have done is possible but not without considerable risk

I'll assume their coding skill is on the money or that warranty they offer will get tested out. (it isn't really a warranty....)

Weird torque curve and looks like the run was cut prematurely. Disconcerting.

Their post from the other forum, just so everyone knows where the coding came from ... no wonder other tuners kept quiet.

Doesn't add up sadly

Ok, here is the info that everyone wants to know.
Peak boost set to 1.5bar, locked boost on this car set at 1.45 bar.
The mapping is a torque structered map set up, complimented by airflow, spark, fuel and cam timing set up.
This has been under development with us for a fair while, and is based on the full Factory Damos file.
We are working with a massive amount of maps which is why it has taken so long to work through them all.
We still have more work to do , but we will continue to work towards stage 2 and 2+ completion shortly.

I hope this has answered some of the questions out there, and would be interesting to know how many of member's cars are tuned from the factory FULL damos file.

This has been a project we have not taken lightly and have kept under the radar for a reason.

[jamesatfish]

I picked up my R today after finally deciding that my Polo is no longer enjoyable as a daily driver. It's a MY13 DSG with 19s but without ACC so I was curious to see if the ride was as harsh as I'd read it could be.

The 700km drive from Melbourne back to Canberra was actually my first drive of an R and the first time I've even been in an unmodified one so it was an interesting experience.

Some observations from my first day with the car:

•Comfort in terms of the seats and ergonomics is very good. I spent about 9 hours straight in the car stopping only for petrol and the dunny, and I'm not at all tired or sore from the experience. My primary goal with the R was to get back to a comfortable daily driver and I'm very happy with the car in that regard.

•The Nav / MDI / Bluetooth system is great. Took about 10 seconds to pair with my iPhone 5 to make & receive calls, with my phone book entries automatically syncing over so the name of the caller appears in the MFD. Using one of Apple's Lightning adapter cables (30-pin to 8-pin) the MDI system recognised the music and playlists on my iPhone and I was able to control the playback using the touch screen and the steering wheel controls.

•The DSG is certainly quick to change, but only when it makes the correct guess about which gear you want next. If it thinks you're going to upshift but instead you decide to downshift there's an obvious pause whilst the gearbox goes and gets the lower gear. On twisty sections of road it seemed to have a good grasp about what gear to have ready so I really only noticed that issue around town. I only drove the car in M so no idea what the automatic modes are like.

•Having AWD makes a huge difference in how the car feels off the line. There's none of the wheelspin, torque steer or traction issues that plague the Polo - the R just gets up and goes.

•I was a bit underwhelmed with the performance beyond the standing start, particularly when overtaking from 90/100kph. You really need to drop a few gears just to get the car moving along, and in those situations where traction isn't an issue it feels even slower than the Polo does. That said, stock performance isn't a big issue as I've already got the Stage 3 kit on order from APR.

All in all I'm really happy with the R - after reading through the many hundreds of pages of thoughts and advice in this thread I'm glad to be finally able to enjoy one for myself.

[Njay]

Re: Golf R Observations and Questions

Congrats James that's a nice looking golf r, looking forward to seeing how it compares to the Polo

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[AdamD]

•The DSG is certainly quick to change, but only when it makes the correct guess about which gear you want next. If it thinks you're going to upshift but instead you decide to downshift there's an obvious pause whilst the gearbox goes and gets the lower gear.

The quickest way for the DSG to figure out you're about to downshift, and to preselect that gear much more quickly, is to back off the throttle (gently is fine) a moment before you downshift. If you pull the down paddle while still accelerating, mine tends to think about it for an age before it finally selects the lower gear and shifts, but if you've backed off first (even if just for a half second or so), it'll have got the message and the shift will be much faster.

Loving the Tornado Red!

[Allegiance]

I picked up my R today after finally deciding that my Polo is no longer enjoyable as a daily driver. It's a MY13 DSG with 19s but without ACC so I was curious to see if the ride was as harsh as I'd read it could be.

The 700km drive from Melbourne back to Canberra was actually my first drive of an R and the first time I've even been in an unmodified one so it was an interesting experience.

Some observations from my first day with the car:

•Comfort in terms of the seats and ergonomics is very good. I spent about 9 hours straight in the car stopping only for petrol and the dunny, and I'm not at all tired or sore from the experience. My primary goal with the R was to get back to a comfortable daily driver and I'm very happy with the car in that regard.

•The Nav / MDI / Bluetooth system is great. Took about 10 seconds to pair with my iPhone 5 to make & receive calls, with my phone book entries automatically syncing over so the name of the caller appears in the MFD. Using one of Apple's Lightning adapter cables (30-pin to 8-pin) the MDI system recognised the music and playlists on my iPhone and I was able to control the playback using the touch screen and the steering wheel controls.

•The DSG is certainly quick to change, but only when it makes the correct guess about which gear you want next. If it thinks you're going to upshift but instead you decide to downshift there's an obvious pause whilst the gearbox goes and gets the lower gear. On twisty sections of road it seemed to have a good grasp about what gear to have ready so I really only noticed that issue around town. I only drove the car in M so no idea what the automatic modes are like.

•Having AWD makes a huge difference in how the car feels off the line. There's none of the wheelspin, torque steer or traction issues that plague the Polo - the R just gets up and goes.

•I was a bit underwhelmed with the performance beyond the standing start, particularly when overtaking from 90/100kph. You really need to drop a few gears just to get the car moving along, and in those situations where traction isn't an issue it feels even slower than the Polo does. That said, stock performance isn't a big issue as I've already got the Stage 3 kit on order from APR.

All in all I'm really happy with the R - after reading through the many hundreds of pages of thoughts and advice in this thread I'm glad to be finally able to enjoy one for myself.

Is that VW Moorabbin? If so, I saw that car Looks hot