Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[WhiteJames]

Fairer competition: EA888 -v- EA113

Here's an Autocar.co.uk review of the Golf GTI Ed35 with same EA113 motor as the Golf R.

VW Golf GTI Edition 35 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

Cheers
WJ

[Capercat]

The best hot hatch ever is will come from Renault next year, when they launch the most hardcore version of the Clio: the RS.R

"...an RS Ultrasport should see the power of the 2.0 L 16V reach 230 hp. There is talk of a Vmax increased to 240 or 250 km / h, a 0 to 100 km / h in 6.0 seconds or so, weighing less than 1200 kg with parts in carbon fiber bucket seats and a lighter sound. The Cup chassis should be further improved for greater sportiness and precision to the few customers who can afford a Clio RS-R which should mark the end of life of this generation of urban motor sport air before the arrival of the next Clio RS model IV is expected with a new 1.6 L TCE.

The Clio RS-R end of his reign should be produced about 300 copies and they announced a price rather high, around 29,500 to 30,000 €. A car for driving enthusiasts and those who want to go to a tap at a certain Audi S1 which ultimately will not be alone at the time, at least for a few months! To be continued in late 2011 or spring 2012."

Sorry for the translation, Goolge did its best...

I'll have one of those over any 400 kW AWD hatch with Carbonio CAI and super-duper remap, whatever the brand!

Interesting read, I hadn't seen the Clio RS-S link on the OZRenault forum, might have to visit VWW more often

[triode12]

Here's an Autocar.co.uk review of the Golf GTI Ed35 with same EA113 motor as the Golf R.

VW Golf GTI Edition 35 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

Cheers
WJ

"The Edition 35 has an eager nature but it never feels quite as refined as the standard GTI."

These are exactly the elements that make the R and now the Ed 35 real GTIs (fun to drive). Confirms my suspicions that the EA113 is the key difference here.

[Corey_R]

Yeah, the EA888 is simply not suitable to real high performance applications. APR are seeming to get away with it on their Stage 3 GTI that they've used for the past few years, but I'm not sure what lengths (and costs) they've gone to to resolve the "oil issues" in the EA888. Whilst others have said that Volkswagen will fix the EA888's oil issues with time... they obviously are not confident with it yet as they put the EA113 in the GTI Ed 35!

[adzy]

Was starting to wonder if your were alive/ok Corey? So many posts in regards to Renaults and not VW's without any warnings being issued

[Corey_R]

Yeah... I haven't had the interwebs at home for the last two weeks, and peeps keep on talking about frogs outside of business hours

[dave_r]

lol no excuse mate!

[adzy]

Lmao Dave... the Golf R's are getting upset

[dave_r]

It's ok, I've replaced my R badging for GTI items so I can be cool. Just gotta swing past somewhere that sells small red pinstripe tape so I can finish the job

[Corey_R]

Are you going to do the red pin stripe on the grill, or along the side of the car? You know, something more like this:

[adzy]

It's ok, I've replaced my R badging for GTI items so I can be cool. Just gotta swing past somewhere that sells small red pinstripe tape so I can finish the job

Remember to try and ditch 116kg's while your at it!

[dave_r]

We'll I'm already a lightweight model so half way to evening the odds anyways

Corey I'm not cool enough for that sorta striping, we'll just stick with the grill!

[Mountainman]

It's been discussed many times I'm pretty sure. The WRX gets to 100km/h in 2nd gear whereas the GTI/R needs to shift into third to hit the hundred mark. That affects the time quite a bit I would imagine

Not true The WRX does 14.3km/h/1000rpm in 2nd gear and is only doing 93km/h at the 6500 redline. The only way it will see 100 is on the typically inaccurate speedo when taking it to the cutout. It's actually lower geared than a GTI in 1st gear which along with its superior AWD system helps give it more grunt off the line. Interestingly I notice that when "Wheels" tested the 2 door R back in Oct 2010 they did 111km/h in 2nd gear at 7000rpm. So which one should have the fewer gear change advantage? In Oct 2010 "Wheels" did 0-100 in 6.63 secs and 0-400m in 14.6 secs in the R. In 2005 they did 0-100 in 6.6 and 0-400m in 14.8 in the Forester XT. Same weight, a bit less power and torque but much lower geared in 1st/2nd/3rd. They even did identical times in a 4speed auto Forester XT the year before.

I'm not trying to "knock" the R here - I find it so refreshing to have something refined and tastefully finished like it on offer for the price after years of Jap stuff, but what else could you expect with less power, less torque and considerably more weight?

[Ideo]

We'll I'm already a lightweight model so half way to evening the odds anyways

Corey I'm not cool enough for that sorta striping, we'll just stick with the grill!

Have your thought about putting a small hole in the sump, so you can get the true GTI experience of wondering where all your oil is going?

[sabloke]

Have your thought about putting a small hole in the sump, so you can get the true GTI experience of wondering where all your oil is going?

Ha ha, that is gold!!!

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