Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[triode12]

The VW Golfer's Creed

This is my Golf. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My Golf is my best friend. It is my life. I must drive it as I must drive my life.
My Golf, without me, is useless. Without my Golf, I am useless. I must drive my Golf true. I must drive faster than my enemy who is trying to out run me. I must pass him before he passes me. I will...
My Golf and myself know that what counts in this challenge is not the tune we use, the noise of our exhaust, nor the smoke it makes. We know that it is the shutdowns * we make that count. We will shut them down...
My Golf is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its DVs and its Coilpacks. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my Golf clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God, I swear this creed. My Golf and myself are the defenders of my e-penis. We are the masters of our MFD. We are the savers of our dyno result sheets.
So be it, until all cars are VWs and there is no others, but VWs!

*To shutdown someone is to outrun them in a drag race

[adzy]

Check out the Boy Luff's driving style.No flat shifting,cruching ripple strips or extraneous hand movements-just blindingly quick.
Does it every time in about 2 laps from cold in cars he's never driven before.I think it's called "talent".
Don't you just hate people like that.....
P.S.Thanks for the end credit Guy.Royalties to the usual address..
Cheers
Len

Thats the quickest way to drive, smooth gentle inputs without unsettling the chassis

[Mountainman]

huh?? I don't see what you're getting at?? In reality the Suby's have nothing on the VW.
From factory (ie no mods) the WRX has nothing on the R. The STI is quicker, but not by lots. Whereas the Subys are severely lacking the WOW factor.

What am I getting at? Exactly as I stated - no wonder the APR rush is popular with the new WRX spanking the GTI / R in acceleration like that.
In reality the Suby's have nothing on the VW? Huh? A second over the quarter on the R and almost 2 seconds to 100 over the manual GTI is hardly nothing.
WOW factor? Well it appears to me from the figures above that it is worth a WOW.

[Mountainman]

It's been discussed many times I'm pretty sure. The WRX gets to 100km/h in 2nd gear whereas the GTI/R needs to shift into third to hit the hundred mark. That affects the time quite a bit I would imagine

But that doesn't explain why the WRX is a second quicker to 400m than an R when they would both be in 4th gear at that stage.

[Mountainman]

Dealt with a million times before. R need to shift to third. WRX doesn't need it. It is meaningless on the street (as in completely meaningless) and everyone is well aware that a WRX is damn quick but not as nice inside.

I didn't buy an R for going in straight lines to exactly 100 and then stopping.

I wasn't talking about all the positives of the GTI / R over the WRX either and I don't think anyone buys any of them just for their straightline 0-100 effort. They all have multi-talents for spirited, fun driving. All I was illustrating was the results of the recent "Wheels" tests and remarking on why it is easy to see why Golf fanbois find a visit to APR desirable to get up to speed.

[Mountainman]

You missed my point. Isn't this a big discrepancy between what VW is claiming?

Some more than others.
0-100 Manufacturer's Claims/Wheels Test:
GTI manual 6.9/7.2
GTI DSG 6.9/6.6
R manual 5.9/6.4
WRX 5.3/5.4

[orkers]

Appreciate what you are saying around the reported figures for WRX vs Golf R, but I've had a traffic light GP with a 2011 WRX on numerous occasions (the same one, guy from work) and i'm consistently in front when we hit (and instantly slow down) the 80km limit on this particular road.

We even swapped cars once and still the R was in front, so it is less likely (although not impossible) that it is driver error.

[Ideo]

What am I getting at? Exactly as I stated - no wonder the APR rush is popular with the new WRX spanking the GTI / R in acceleration like that.
In reality the Suby's have nothing on the VW? Huh? A second over the quarter on the R and almost 2 seconds to 100 over the manual GTI is hardly nothing.
WOW factor? Well it appears to me from the figures above that it is worth a WOW.

I'm sure most people who bought an R also test drove a WRX, or at least considered it. I did, wasn't as impressed as I was the R despite it being quicker.

Besides, if I wanted to go quick in a straight line there are countless other cars that are quicker in a straight line than a WRX.

If you base car buying decisions solely on 0-100 times then, good for you. Others don't.

[team_v]

I'm sure most people who bought an R also test drove a WRX, or at least considered it. I did, wasn't as impressed as I was the R despite it being quicker.

Besides, if I wanted to go quick in a straight line there are countless other cars that are quicker in a straight line than a WRX.

If you base car buying decisions solely on 0-100 times then, good for you. Others don't.

I can see where Mountainman is coming from.
A lot of the people who commented in this thread as prospective R owners used the "it's quicker than a GTI through corners or to 100km/h" as their argument for the purchase so i can't see how it is not valid now against another make/model in the similar price range.

Having said that i would never buy a new subaru because they look like the design team was on crack and studied picasso before drawing up designs for their newest models. And the fact that people are compromising more and more now to get a "bit of everything" vehicle rather than a dedicated 1 purpose vehicle.

Will be interesting to see who subaru compete against now with Mitsu pulling the plug on the Evo.

Some say that VW is about to become the new Toyota. If the new Passat is solmething to judge by well, I think they're right...

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I agree mate.
Debadge the Passat and you have an Aurion in my eyes.

[sabloke]

Some say that VW is about to become the new Toyota. If the new Passat is something to judge by well, I think they're right...

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[bwen]

But that doesn't explain why the WRX is a second quicker to 400m than an R when they would both be in 4th gear at that stage.

It would be good if you posted the 60ft time and also trap speed of the quarter mile times also as they also play a major role in comparing cars. The Golf R has plenty more power in them as they were 'detuned' for the Australian climate 199kw to 188kw which is still less than the WRX (I think). The WRX is a pretty good all-rounder straight from the factory floor, 2.5L turbo AWD compared to the R's 2L capacity but it still doesn't explain why people buy Golf Rs in the first place

[markwid]

The WRX is a pretty good all-rounder straight from the factory floor, 2.5L turbo AWD compared to the R's 2L capacity but it still doesn't explain why people buy Golf Rs in the first place

Superficial but the fact that WRX looks like it has been hit with the ugly stick, probably has a lot to do with this.

[dave_r]

The WRX is a pretty good all-rounder straight from the factory floor, 2.5L turbo AWD compared to the R's 2L capacity but it still doesn't explain why people buy Golf Rs in the first place

The WRX has good performance but not everyone likes the look of it or finds the interior a nice place to be. STI/Evo in the same category. Great performance but they're a horrible place to be day to day if you ask me. And not everyone likes the look at me attention of them.

[Transporter]

The WRX has good performance but not everyone likes the look of it or finds the interior a nice place to be. STI/Evo in the same category. Great performance but they're a horrible place to be day to day if you ask me. And not everyone likes the look at me attention of them.

It's hard to argue with that.

[littlejohn]

What am I getting at? Exactly as I stated - no wonder the APR rush is popular with the new WRX spanking the GTI / R in acceleration like that.
In reality the Suby's have nothing on the VW? Huh? A second over the quarter on the R and almost 2 seconds to 100 over the manual GTI is hardly nothing.
WOW factor? Well it appears to me from the figures above that it is worth a WOW.

That's not reality... well not for the large majority of owners of any of the vehicles that you mention.
I would hazard a guess that 99% of owners never see a drag strip, and about 98% will never do a traffic light drag either.
So in reality, ie the world where 99% of owners live, 1/4mile times and 0-100 times mean nothing. But in my case, seeing that I own both the WRX and a golf R. I can say the numbers you posted are not accurate for the cars I own. Perhaps I have a dud WRX, who knows, but it feels like every other stock WRX I've driven.

Don't get me wrong, the WRX is a great workhorse, but it's no powerhouse in stock form. My previous car to the Golf R was a RX8, adn that was way more fun than the WRX.