Golf R -v- Golf GTI

[blanch0b]

agree Converted - forgot to say that - the GTI interior is best in class (and all classes around it) by a long way (in my opinion)

and agree with you team_v on the majority of R drivers will never/hardly ever use its potential...... (in my opinion)

its a very simple conclusion for GTI owners to make that the GTI price v performance wins, but that is the whole topic of this thread isnt it and again, that is my opinion.

[AdamD]

The XDS and other electronic wizardy in a GTI will provide enough grip in normal or reasonably spirited driving.
Almost all R owners will never use their R's to the potential that demands AWD.

Agreed. I throw my GTI at the twisties pretty regularly, and really, there's plenty of grip - even right at the upper limits. The Mk6 chassis and XDS setup is amazingly well-sorted. Personally, I reckon anyone who thinks the GTI (in stock tune) generates too much wheelspin or lacks power-down day to day or even point to point is being ham-fisted - in the dry anyway. Of course you can break traction, but half the fun is in modulating the throttle.

If you want to push on hard in the wet, well, AWD is certainly the way to go.

[Brian]

Of course you can break traction, but half the fun is in modulating the throttle. .

Nice word that, "modulating", but totally inapplicable to the context. We know what you mean though and agree totally

[Corey_R]

What do you mean by modulating the throttle is inapplicable?

[whichonetoget]

Agreed. I throw my GTI at the twisties pretty regularly, and really, there's plenty of grip - even right at the upper limits. The Mk6 chassis and XDS setup is amazingly well-sorted. Personally, I reckon anyone who thinks the GTI (in stock tune) generates too much wheelspin or lacks power-down day to day or even point to point is being ham-fisted - in the dry anyway. Of course you can break traction, but half the fun is in modulating the throttle.

If you want to push on hard in the wet, well, AWD is certainly the way to go.

Hey, can I ask how much you paid for your GTI? (hope I'm not being too rude here!)

[Happs]

Hi,

Have read the past 50 pages with great interest!!

I am looking at the 5-door GTi DSG, or 5-door R DSG cars (and yet to find an R to test drive in Perth). I know it's very subjective but...

I can afford the R, BUT it will be my daily driver. Peak hour work commute, non-peak hour weekend driver (read spirited driving), and the occasional long haul. Trips down to Margaret River, some up north etc. Basically a few hours behind the wheel in single stints.

I plan to get the ACC option in either, so my question is, can the R be an every day driver with ACC? I.e. does it make the suspension 'soft' enough that it won't rattle my teeth and give me a sore back and numb-ass on long drives? Or for long drives and peak hour commutes is the GTi actually the more comfortable tourer?

[Pepe]

Hi,

Have read the past 50 pages with great interest!!

I am looking at the 5-door GTi DSG, or 5-door R DSG cars (and yet to find an R to test drive in Perth). I know it's very subjective but...

I can afford the R, BUT it will be my daily driver. Peak hour work commute, non-peak hour weekend driver (read spirited driving), and the occasional long haul. Trips down to Margaret River, some up north etc. Basically a few hours behind the wheel in single stints.

I plan to get the ACC option in either, so my question is, can the R be an every day driver with ACC? I.e. does it make the suspension 'soft' enough that it won't rattle my teeth and give me a sore back and numb-ass on long drives? Or for long drives and peak hour commutes is the GTi actually the more comfortable tourer?

I use my R (DSG & ACC) in exactly this way and it's fine. Just avoid potholes (not like you'd aim for them in a GTI anyway) and you'll be fine.

[SilvrFoxX]

I use my R (DSG & ACC) in exactly this way and it's fine. Just avoid potholes (not like you'd aim for them in a GTI anyway) and you'll be fine.

What setting do you have the ACC on when communting

[Brian]

What do you mean by modulating the throttle is inapplicable?

modulation [ˌmɒdjʊˈleɪʃən]
n
1. the act of modulating or the condition of being modulated
2. (Music, other) Music the transition from one key to another
3. (Linguistics / Phonetics & Phonology) Grammar
a. another word for intonation [1]
b. the grammatical expression of modality
4. (Engineering / Electrical Engineering) Electrical engineering
a. the act or process of superimposing the amplitude, frequency, phase, etc., of a wave or signal onto another wave (the carrier wave) or signal or onto an electron beam See also amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, phase modulation, velocity modulation
b. the variation of the modulated signal
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Unless AdamD was referring to changing the tonal pitch of the exhaust note by varying the throttle opening via the accelerator then the use of modulation in this context is inapplicable.
Picky, I know , but thats how I am.

[HPSOV]

I use my R for daily commute (20km on good roads). That's why I got the DSG, would have been manual if not for Sydney traffic!
ACC lives in Comfort during the week for the trafficy commute.
Comfort whenever the girlfriend is in the car (she's worked out how to change it). And Sport most other times.
It's an acceptable daily drive if you are willing to compromise on daily comfort for weekend fun. It's not much of a compromise though.

[whichonetoget]

What's a good price to pay for a demonstrator 3dr DSG GTI? It has over 2000kms, 18s and parking assist.

I keep looking at it thinking I should go for it, but the only thing that it lacks for me is the leather option.

[SilvrFoxX]

modulation [ˌmɒdjʊˈleɪʃən]
n
1. the act of modulating or the condition of being modulated
2. (Music, other) Music the transition from one key to another
3. (Linguistics / Phonetics & Phonology) Grammar
a. another word for intonation [1]
b. the grammatical expression of modality
4. (Engineering / Electrical Engineering) Electrical engineering
a. the act or process of superimposing the amplitude, frequency, phase, etc., of a wave or signal onto another wave (the carrier wave) or signal or onto an electron beam See also amplitude modulation, frequency modulation, phase modulation, velocity modulation
b. the variation of the modulated signal
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003

Unless AdamD was referring to changing the tonal pitch of the exhaust note by varying the throttle opening via the accelerator then the use of modulation in this context is inapplicable.
Picky, I know , but thats how I am.

All true but it also means the following


mod·u·late
   /ˈmɒdʒəˌleɪt/ Show Spelled [moj-uh-leyt] Show IPA verb, -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to regulate by or adjust to a certain measure or proportion; soften; tone down.

Which is in context

[SilvrFoxX]

What's a good price to pay for a demonstrator 3dr DSG GTI? It has over 2000kms, 18s and parking assist.

I keep looking at it thinking I should go for it, but the only thing that it lacks for me is the leather option.

The challenge is the demonstrators on offer exceed the cost of ordering one with options.. there is a premium on getting any that available.. just check out carsales they range from $62 - $65K where you could order a brand new one from the mid 50s

[Corey_R]

All true but it also means the following


mod·u·late
   /ˈmɒdʒəˌleɪt/ Show Spelled [moj-uh-leyt] Show IPA verb, -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to regulate by or adjust to a certain measure or proportion; soften; tone down.

Which is in context

Yeah - modulating the throttle is a rather comment description and expression. Although I also know the musical and signal definitions Brian mentioned, I also knew this definition too. Thanks for confirming that AdamD was correct

[whichonetoget]

The challenge is the demonstrators on offer exceed the cost of ordering one with options.. there is a premium on getting any that available.. just check out carsales they range from $62 - $65K where you could order a brand new one from the mid 50s

Indeed. There was a demonstrator R which was advertised for $64-65k and has been sold I believe.

This demo GTI I'm looking at is just a smidge under $50k, as are all the others I've seen.