Petrol type poll for GTI owners ::please vote::

[Corey_R]

Murphy no offense to your post above, but again, in EVERY article, VW documentation, and the link that you posted, it is the recommended minimum.

So they are not saying "you must use 95 octane fuel".
They are saying "you must use a minimum of 95 octane fuel".

A "recommended minimum" of 95 means "don't use 91".
Previously, the recommended minimum was 98, which meant "don't use 91 or 95".

Your link only confirms what I'm saying.

There is still nothing stopping anyone from chosing to use the better quality 98 octane fuel.

[MurphyTheElf]

OK I think we're going around in circles here for the sake of semantics. So let's agree to disagree even though we kind of agree.

[Corey_R]

We do kinda agree. The problem is not semantics though. The problem is that too many people seem to be "reading what they want to" and missing the key word which is present in all the statements.

Take your article for example:
"resulted in the reduction of the minimum fuel RON requirement"
"Volkswagen now recommends a minimum 95RON"
"New MIN RON#"
"Old MIN RON#"

And from the inside of your fuel caps:
"min. 95 RON/ROZ Super Premium"

So whether used with the word "recommended" or "requirement" or no other word at all, what is present in all of these is the word minimum - and that is the key to this. Volkswagen have advised of a minimum octane fuel to use, it is then up to consumers to decide whether they want to use that minimum or anything better.

So like you do Murphy, I would chose to use the best quality fuel available, which in Australia just happens to come with an octane bump to 98

[entice]

yes, VW say Min 95, but also in their manual they state NO benefit in engine performance or economy by going to 98...

[Corey_R]

That's correct (as I've already said numerous times as well). That is not to say there is no benefit in other aspects due our fuel regulations and manufacturing processes in Australia.

[GTI mk6]

We do kinda agree. The problem is not semantics though. The problem is that too many people seem to be "reading what they want to" and missing the key word which is present in all the statements.

Coreying, I totally agree and get the point you are and have been making....yes 95 RON is the recommended minimum according
to journo's. and VW literature.
I may have interpreted what Maverick said wrong.....

They have put the incorrect stickers on a batch of GTI's by the looks of it as 95 has never been recommended for the GTI
I just wanted to share what their literature was saying based on Maverick saying that 95 has never been recommended for GTI
Certainly not intended to undermine Maverick here

Maybe if VW worded things differently eg. 95 RON minimum requirement but 98 RON highly recommended we wouldnt all be debating this.
Like Murphy, I think we are possibly all on the same page, we just have different ways of expressing it?
The good news at least is that we all "clearly" agree about using 98 RON hehe

[MurphyTheElf]

Let's just say the old sticker "98 (95)" was much clearer. That says to me "fill with 98, but 95 is fine if you can't find anything else". Maybe a recall is in order?

[Corey_R]

Hehehe... maybe they changed it because overseas they're now getting 99 and 100 and even higher octanes... so just having "Min 95" becomes clearer then instaed of saying "104,100,99,98 (95)"

[Maverick]

Coreying, I totally agree and get the point you are and have been making....yes 95 RON is the recommended minimum according
to journo's. and VW literature.
I may have interpreted what Maverick said wrong.....

Most likely as this whole thread is going round and round in circles!

They have put the incorrect stickers on a batch of GTI's by the looks of it as 95 has never been recommended for the GTI
I just wanted to share what their literature was saying based on Maverick saying that 95 has never been recommended for GTI
Certainly not intended to undermine Maverick here

Volkswagen released the fuel recommendation update last year, this is a chart of the current and new recommendation.



Here's another link - Volkswagen Petrol Engines Deliver Power and Economy on 95RON Fuel - AutoWeb News and another - Volkswagen Petrol Engines Deliver Power and Economy on 95RON Fuel - (Australia)

So as far as I can see the recommended fuel is 98 for the GTI but it _can_ run on 95 as a minimum but at reduced power/torque however the brochures on the website and the fuel filler cap don't seem to fall into line with other countries or other documentation from Volkswagen.

Maybe if VW worded things differently eg. 95 RON minimum requirement but 98 RON highly recommended we wouldnt all be debating this.
Like Murphy, I think we are possibly all on the same page, we just have different ways of expressing it?
The good news at least is that we all "clearly" agree about using 98 RON hehe

Agreed, I think someone at Volkswagen has screwed up somewhere along the line with the fuel filler labeling and the brochure was probably a marketing person getting confused with big numbers!

[hooba]

Having worked in a petrol station (for one of the reputable brands) for many years and having experienced how the tanks are filled, I would always use 98 given the preference as it gives you a greater margin for error.

It is not uncommon for a tanker driver doing a delivery at 3am to accidentally put unleaded into the 95 tank - we once discovered this the following afternoon when we did the dips and the numbers didn't add up. Another time we switched pumps over, and there was still a fair bit of unleaded in the tanks which they topped up with Premium - this was ok because it was "within spec". All of these things do happen even on a well managed site - the boss in this case was a good operator who worried about the Premium fuels because they went into his beloved BMW.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is a chance that you may one day think you are filling up with 95 octane, but the octane actually going into your tank may be marginally less than that. If this happens, you are better off already having 98 octane in your fuel tank in order to get the overall octane back up above 95.

My 5 cents worth.

[pologti18t]

Maverick give it up
Straight from the VW site

Engine 2.0 litre TSI

Type 4 cylinder inline turbocharged direct injection petrol
Installation Front transverse
Cubic capacity, litres/cc 2.0 / 1984
Bore/stroke, mm 82.5 / 92.8
Max power, kW @ rpm 155 @ 5300 - 6200
Max torque, Nm @ rpm 280 @ 1700 – 5200
Compression ratio 9.6:1
Fuel system Bosch Motronic MED 17.5.5
Ignition system Electronic
Exhaust emission control Exhaust gas recirculation, catalytic converter and lambda probes
Emission level

^ EU V
Fuel type (Recommended)
Premium unleaded

95 RON minimum

In fact if you look on the spec sheet available on Volkswagen.com.au you will find that they have 95RON minimum for the Golf R as well.

[Maverick]

Maverick give it up
Straight from the VW site

And once again it doesn't say recommended but it says minimum, did you miss the part where I said that the VW website said 95 minimum?. The press release they put out clearly says that 98 is recommended and the power and torque are measured using 98, with 95 power and torque are reduced.

In fact if you look on the spec sheet available on Volkswagen.com.au you will find that they have 95RON minimum for the Golf R as well.

Good on them but the whole point of the thread was that there is conflicting information with the Mk6 as to fuel.

[brad]

I don't believe (perhaps naively) that these journalists picked this information out of thin air - .

Journos make mistakes all the time. I have seen a road test saying that the 118TSI Passat (or maybe the Golf sedan thingy whatever that's called) has the 1.8L Audi/Skoda engine in it when it's actually the 1.4TSI.

The WHEELS tuner car shootout last year had heaps of mistakes because the journos didn't have a sales brochure or press release to refer to. I think the most blatant was saying one of the cars was twin turbo when it was actually a single (or vice versa).

As a Skoda Octavia owner, i can assure you that most Octavia reviews/road tests contain many examples of incorrect facts because the journos can't be bothered checking their info or the marketing department they are dealing with doesn't know either.

[elephino]

From the UK GTI brochure:
Thanks to the knock control, unleaded four star (at least 95 RON) can be used instead of unleaded Super plus. In order
to achieve maximum fuel consumption benefits on the TSI engine, Ultra Low Sulphur Petrol (ULSP) must be used.

[joec]

This a great thread for new owners.

Also to add on, has anyone enquire Caltex when they will be rolling out Caltex Fuel with Techron?

If i recall correctly, Vortex fuel has been replaced with a fuel branding call Techron probably decade ago. Why is this not being roll-out in Australia?