Golf 118 TSI Engine Failures and Service Campaign 24S4

[prise]

Ebo,

How may k's did your car have when you had the ECU reflash done as part of the VW service campaign earlier this year?

Also what octane fuel do you normally put in the car ( 95 or 98 ) ?

[prise]

I think the problem of damaged pistons is more widespread than just the Australian spec engines. There have been a few reported piston failures in 1.4l twincharger engines in the UK and Germany. I think it is premature to say for certain the problems have been resolved by the service campaign given we are still getting failures months after the campaign was run. I will consider paying for a boroscope inspection of my cylinders and a compression test before my vehicle comes off warranty.

Liste aller Motorschäden, Golf 6, 160 PS : VW Golf VI (use google translator for this one)
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[RW1]

UK misfires reporting levels is not as pronouced as in Germany but that may be due to the 1.4TSi 160 S/Charger came to the market later than the main thrust with 2.0ltr engines and so there are fewer, therefore producing a lower number of reported failures.

This may help as a reference for you prise. It was performed on my 1.4TSi 160PS 9 months from new running the G4009 map (two maps before G5860).

YouTube - VW Scirocco 1400 TSi 6k Reference inspection Rev B

Have subsequently had the 24S4 applied since November.

[cameronp]

UK misfires reporting levels is not as pronouced as in Germany but that may be due to the 1.4TSi 160 S/Charger came to the market later than the main thrust with 2.0ltr engines and so there are fewer, therefore producing a lower number of reported failures.

When I was in the UK a couple of months ago, most of the Mk6 Golfs I noticed were diesel, with lots of 90TSIs (single red "I" - so turbo only, not twincharged) and a few GTIs. I don't think I saw a single 118TSI.

[ozgti]

Announcements - Mk6 Golf

I click the link and I get the competition thread!!!

[Corey_R]

I click the link and I get the competition thread!!!

Lol... we'll, you're late to the party. For the first few days after the forum crash where we lost 6 days of posts, there was an announcement about the problem. Now the announcement has reverted to the December competition

[immigant]

When I was in the UK a couple of months ago, most of the Mk6 Golfs I noticed were diesel, with lots of 90TSIs (single red "I" - so turbo only, not twincharged) and a few GTIs. I don't think I saw a single 118TSI.

They only sell the 118kW engine in the GT model, and I imagine most buyers wanting the performance (and willing to pay the extortionate insurance premiums - no regulated CTP price!) end up plumping for the GTi.

For comparison, the 90kW engine gets you an insurance group of 17, the GT 30, and the GTi 34 (the groups go up to 50)

Unless you have a clean licence, no accidents, a big no claims bonus and are over 25 insuring anything over a group 12 is very hard (multi £'000)

The Official Website for Volkswagen UK : Volkswagen UK

[prise]

This may help as a reference for you prise. It was performed on my 1.4TSi 160PS 9 months from new running the G4009 map (two maps before G5860).

YouTube - VW Scirocco 1400 TSi 6k Reference inspection Rev B

Have subsequently had the 24S4 applied since November.

Thanks for that. The misfire count on mine (logged using VCDS) is zero or close to for my car but I'm running it completely stock. The borescope video in the link seems to be similar to photos of other direct injection engines wrt the carbon build up on the rear side of the inlet valves. Oil from the PCV system has been attributed for much of the inlet valve carbonisation with direct injection engines which is a good incentive to use 504 spec oil.

[RW1]

The engine still had VW factory oil when the video was done. Had the intake / air filter off last week. Whole of the plumbing downstream of the oil breather pipe connection was covered in a light oil film. More than I've seen on older VW engines in good condition. Not enough to alarm though. VW factory spec ???. Since serviced with Shell Ultra AV-L 5w30 oil - 504/507 spec. So don't know which or both has caused the oil film on the intake ducting.

Traced those misfires to a engine ECU misfire algorithm problem and the way it works, a lot happier.

[anders]

For the record another TSI engine replacement

My car has just passed 15,000km and just booked in for a service. Over the weekend the car seemed to be running a little rough , but did not seem too concerned. On the Monday norning on the way to work it started missing and the exhaust warning light came on. While idling at traffic lights the EPC light also appeared and power was almont gone.
I called the workshop and they suggested coming in for a scan to test the systems. Multiple failures were detected, the primary fault being in cylinder 1. Strangely enough they said I should drop it in for more tests but could not do it striaght away. Being concerned that the car was being damaged, I questioned if it should be driven to which they said it would not get any worse. The car ran like a dog and fuel consumption poor with the exhaust warning light now a permanent fixture.
I needed a loan car for which they organised and the car was taken in on Thursday. A phone call has now confirmed that an engine repalcement is required, as there was very little compression in the cylinder but VWA is requesting more tests (fuel mainly).
The dealer I believe Kwew this would be a requirement, but think that this is costing VW a heap of money and will check everything before a new engine is authorised.

For the record the flash update was completed on time following the recall, I have only used recommended fuel and had no other warnings.

My concern is now, with the new engine, is it less powerful than the orginal, due to chipset changes, Do I get a new engine warranty and will it happen again

[AdamD]

For the record the flash update was completed on time following the recall, I have only used recommended fuel and had no other warnings.

My concern is now, with the new engine, is it less powerful than the orginal, due to chipset changes, Do I get a new engine warranty and will it happen again

That's bad luck anders; sorry to hear of your troubles.

I don't believe your warranty (engine or otherwise) will be extended. You might want to consider shelling out for the extended warranty option. As for reduced power, new engines should be running the same software your old engine was running post-24S4, so there should be no performance issues. And no-one on this forum (or any other I'm aware of) has experienced an engine failure with a new 118 engine manufactured since 24S4 was introduced.

[ozgti]

My car has just passed 15,000km and just booked in for a service. Over the weekend the car seemed to be running a little rough , but did not seem too concerned. On the Monday norning on the way to work it started missing and the exhaust warning light came on. While idling at traffic lights the EPC light also appeared and power was almont gone.
I called the workshop and they suggested coming in for a scan to test the systems. Multiple failures were detected, the primary fault being in cylinder 1. Strangely enough they said I should drop it in for more tests but could not do it striaght away. Being concerned that the car was being damaged, I questioned if it should be driven to which they said it would not get any worse. The car ran like a dog and fuel consumption poor with the exhaust warning light now a permanent fixture.
I needed a loan car for which they organised and the car was taken in on Thursday. A phone call has now confirmed that an engine repalcement is required, as there was very little compression in the cylinder but VWA is requesting more tests (fuel mainly).
The dealer I believe Kwew this would be a requirement, but think that this is costing VW a heap of money and will check everything before a new engine is authorised.

For the record the flash update was completed on time following the recall, I have only used recommended fuel and had no other warnings.

My concern is now, with the new engine, is it less powerful than the orginal, due to chipset changes, Do I get a new engine warranty and will it happen again

I've had the recall done and I got a misfire at cold idle. I also had issues with the engine stalling out. Told VW about it and they couldn't pull the codes up. They performed another reflash, which has fixed the high-ish idle at cold start, but the misfire has returned.

I run nothing but premiuim unleaded.

[zoomda]

Why does the thread title say the issue has been resolved? It sure doesn't seem like it has. I'm not buying the "damage was done before the service campaign fix" either.

I'm really disappointed. I had my heart set on a 118 TSI and was probably going to sign on the line today. But after reading this thread and plenty of the others out there I'd be crazy to purchase this car

[Corey_R]

The thread title says it is resolved as there hasn't been a single report of an engine manufactured since the 24S4 update to have failed. If anyone has any information to the contrary, please let us know.

[zoomda]

The thread title says it is resolved as there hasn't been a single report of an engine manufactured since the 24S4 update to have failed. If anyone has any information to the contrary, please let us know.

I'm confused. The thread title suggests that the update resolved the issue. But anders for example has had an engine failure with the update. However you are saying that engines manufactured since 24S4 are ok? So for the car I am looking at I should look for a build date after approx June and you believe it would be ok?