Is the stock MK6 GTI quicker than 6.9s 0-100(DSG)??

[Guy_H]

Here are my times from last year - stinking hot day:

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f112/hello-new-gti-37337-3.html#post420217

Have not tried it with the stage 3 kit yet.

[Corey_R]

hehe... In the UK, autocar.co.uk tested a manual vs DSG R - he did 3 runs in both. It was obviously a cold day, on a rural "B road", and the surface visually wet (some patches damp, but visible water in the troughs of the ripples in the road).

In the manual he was flat shifting and looked pretty proficient to me. He used a RaceLogic device to time and measure the runs. In the manual he only managed a 6.4, 6.6 and 6.3 sec run, compared to the 5.7 claimed by VW.

In the DSG he managed a 5.7 in all three runs, compared to the 5.5 claimed by VW.

So using the DSG allowed him to perform times at 88.6% of the manual's average.
Guy_H managed to get his GTI to go:
Stock = 7.2
Stage 1 = 6.6
Stage 2 = 6.2 seconds.

I wonder if you can apply the same DSG efficiency of the R to the GTI and work those times out to be Stock 6.4, Stage 1 5.8, Stage 2 5.5 seconds ?

[AdamD]

I wonder if you can apply the same DSG efficiency of the R to the GTI and work those times out to be Stock 6.4, Stage 1 5.8, Stage 2 5.5 seconds ?

And of course Guy_H's times were recorded on a very hot day. Heat is the enemy of turbo performance, so it would be fair to assume you could drop at least a couple of tenths off those times on a nice sub-20 degree morning.

Sooo... stock 6.2, stage 1 5.6... hmm, now we're getting silly.

[Corey_R]

lol yeah...
I figure a hot day is probably just as bad as an impact as a wet b road

Either way though - I don't think you'll be disappointed with the acceleration of a GTI, especially not the DSG version

[Super]

I'm moving from a Swift S (which is just the base 75kW engine)...so essentially I feel like I'm moving to a Veyron...which is getting delivered next week btw

Im coming from a manual 1.5L Lancer that had a whopping 69kW (when new). The only difference between 50% throttle and 100% throttle was some extra grunting from the engine, but it didnt actually accelerate any faster. Lets just say the test drive in the GTI was spirited hehe

[ConR]

lol yeah...
I figure a hot day is probably just as bad as an impact as a wet b road

Either way though - I don't think you'll be disappointed with the acceleration of a GTI, especially not the DSG version

hmm...I'm getting the manual...does that mean I could be disappointed? like I said, I'm pretty decent stick shifter, but by no means a pro

[Corey_R]

Anyone who buys a manual in any car should be aware that the acceleration of that car will depend on their driving abilities. I love manual cars, but I love the DSG even more. The other consideration is that it's actually impossible to do perfect downshifts in a Golf. Due to the electronic throttle and "brake override", you cannot depress the accelerator if you have your foot on the brake, meaning you can't do "heel-toe" in the Golf.

Before people complain about why VW would do such a thing... it's due to safety. Brake overrides are something that many of the major car companies are looking to volunterarily introduce in their cars in the coming years due to all the contraversy over the "unintended acceleration" problems which have been occuring around the world.

So whilst I completely understand why the car companies are doing this, that to me is the final nail in the coffin for the manual (in road cars) for me. Anyway, I don't want to turn this into another manual vs DSG thread - so to summarise:

As with any manual, acceleration times are often inconsistent and are dependent on your driving abilities.

[galtaforce]

Anyone who buys a manual in any car should be aware that the acceleration of that car will depend on their driving abilities. I love manual cars, but I love the DSG even more. The other consideration is that it's actually impossible to do perfect downshifts in a Golf. Due to the electronic throttle and "brake override", you cannot depress the accelerator if you have your foot on the brake, meaning you can't do "heel-toe" in the Golf.

Not necessarily: Track test: How does brake-override affect enthusiast driving? | auto blog

[Corey_R]

Well, that is an interesting link galtaforce. I must admit that if I had a car with brake override I'd be going out to the car park to try a few of these things. On my MKV GTI DSG, I did not experience at all what they're mentioning they could do in that article. Pretty much as soon as the foot was on the brake, the accelerator did nothing - maybe I was pressing too hard, maybe you need ESP turned off?
Either way, it kind of sounds strange that brake override is not "overriding" in their examples. They do mention that "Brake override is a software algorithm that gives the brakes precedence over the throttle if both are activated at once", but I mean, if they manage to 'fool' the brake override in all the cases that they've given, then I'd question how it would solve the unintended acceleration issue the manufacturers have been having.

[galtaforce]

What I've read elsewhere is that some systems simply limit power to that which could not exceed maximum braking force so that mashing both pedals won't drive a senior citizen up a kerb and into a shop front but some throttle remains to allow for dynamic braking manoeuvres.

[cameronp]

coreying: woah, the DSG makes more of a difference than I was expecting! I assume that's with launch control (which my 118TSI doesn't have)?

I haven't ever tried simultaneous throttle+brake on my Golf, except for a couple of times when I accidentally forgot it wasn't a manual and floored the brake expecting it to be a clutch pedal and simultaneously put it into neutral instinctively trying to change gears ... oops.

[Corey_R]

coreying: woah, the DSG makes more of a difference than I was expecting! I assume that's with launch control (which my 118TSI doesn't have)?

Yeah - it was with "launch control" and in S rather than 'manual'.

Check out the autocar.co.uk comparision of the Golf R in manual vs DSG here

[Guy_H]

If 0-100 times are a priority, then DSG rules, no doubt about it.

Also try 60 - 100, the dsg finds the right gear so quickly - it will kick a manuals ass.

[ConR]

Thanks all...great info. Personally, I want to be in tune with the car, so for sure manual has to be the way to go. My opinion is that a car like this needs a proper manual...engage the driver. I'm sure it will still go fast enough for me on Sydney roads...cops all over the place nowadays.

As long as I have enough pickup when I need it..especially the next time I'm at a red light sitting next to a rice rocket who thinks his single wiper conversion is the balls....and that having a badge that says "Spyder" on his Civic Type-R makes him go faster...being able to blow someone like that off the line has to be the best feeling in the world =)

[prise]

Either way, it kind of sounds strange that brake override is not "overriding" in their examples. They do mention that "Brake override is a software algorithm that gives the brakes precedence over the throttle if both are activated at once", but I mean, if they manage to 'fool' the brake override in all the cases that they've given, then I'd question how it would solve the unintended acceleration issue the manufacturers have been having.

Coreying, I've had a play with the throttle over-ride feature on my 118TSI and a couple of other manual Golfs I've hired when away on travel (I haven't driven a GTi manual) and it appears that the throttle doesn''t cut immediately as there is at least a 1 sec delay before it cuts. This was enough time to enable a quick blip when down shifting. Dabbing the brake mid corner with moderate throttle also didn't seem to be a problem. The main obstacle to effective heel-toe shifting on the non-sporting Golfs is the excessive servo assistance on the brakes and the mismatched accelerator and brake pedal heights.