Golf GTD CONFIRMED FOR AUSTRALIA!!!

[team_v]

So true.. Im all for driving the car to the spec its designed. But reading the posts in these forums makes me think a gti is only a GTI once youve chipped it! lol

Why bother with a GTI if you aren't after the power though?
The car is built with that potential and then restricted due to emissions regulations, chipping/dpf delete just removes those restrictions and gives your the "real" GTI/D experience rather than the dumbed down green experience.

If you are just wanting it to get you from A to B, you might as well have got a 118tsi or a 90tsi.

[STV4SYT]

Why bother with a GTI if you aren't after the power though?
The car is built with that potential and then restricted due to emissions regulations, chipping/dpf delete just removes those restrictions and gives your the "real" GTI/D experience rather than the dumbed down green experience.

If you are just wanting it to get you from A to B, you might as well have got a 118tsi or a 90tsi.

It's always a compromise between perormance, economy, and also longevity of parts. At the end of the day VW have to give a 3 year warranty on these things and so it is made that way.

Personally i would never buy any vehicle that has been previously modified. I buy somehing that is as close to what i am after and then drive it.

[Sharkie]

Why does every thread about GTI GTD or whatever descend into a "How tunable is it?" discussion.

Maybe some people (the majority of buyers) dont want to chip the car at all and just drive it as intended.

Its mostly because the GTI is underdone performance wise in comparison with some of the other cars in its price range. You can buy better performing cars for less money.

And arguing that the GTI is a "better" car also holds little value .... it is only an entry-mid level Euro car and you can get more (performance and goodies) for less elsewhere.

By "tuning" the GTI/GTD/any VW you make it a much more attractive proposition for very little extra cost. Spending less than $2k on a GTI makes it run with WRX's etc performance wise whilst still having that entry-mid level Euro prestige bonus.

Don't tell me every time a "*****box" outruns you enough to prevent you from merging in front doesn't make you feel slightly less happy with your premium purchase ....

[STV4SYT]

Its mostly because the GTI is underdone performance wise in comparison with some of the other cars in its price range. You can buy better performing cars for less money.

And arguing that the GTI is a "better" car also holds little value .... it is only an entry-mid level Euro car and you can get more (performance and goodies) for less elsewhere.

By "tuning" the GTI/GTD/any VW you make it a much more attractive proposition for very little extra cost. Spending less than $2k on a GTI makes it run with WRX's etc performance wise whilst still having that entry-mid level Euro prestige bonus.

Don't tell me every time a "*****box" outruns you enough to prevent you from merging in front doesn't make you feel slightly less happy with your premium purchase ....

I've never been outrun, occasionaly off the lights ill get a bit of DSG Lag but never had a problem.

I dont need to "run" with WRX's I'm quite happy with a car that has got reasonable build quality, decent resale and bit of go for when i need it.

[noone]

Personally i would never buy any vehicle that has been previously modified. I buy somehing that is as close to what i am after and then drive it.

I understand you logic, but surely you can understand that people might want more power than what is supplied from the factory?

I think the GTD has real potential to be the daily driver but also fast when you want a bit more from it. Maybe if you drove a chipped version of your car you would have a little more appreciation for 'extra power for a little money'...

Tuning a car does not have to mean flogging it and the manufacturer is more interested in ensuring frugal fuel economy and low maintenance costs during the warranty period than providing a car that gives you a little more oomph.

If you just want to drive it, why bother with the Mk6 at all? a Mk5 TDI is perfectly acceptable car and a lot cheaper... Or do you want something more?

[noone]

I've never been outrun, occasionaly off the lights ill get a bit of DSG Lag but never had a problem.

Never? I think this speaks more about how and when you drive than the ability of your car.

Chipping is not a great solution in all cars, but for me, I was intending to chip before I bought it. Car went from 110kw to 150'something kw for less than 2k. The car will never be bought by someone who has the attitude of 'chipping is bad', but thats a common attitude and TBH, I will always be hesitant about buying a modified car myself.

[STV4SYT]

I understand you logic, but surely you can understand that people might want more power than what is supplied from the factory?

I think the GTD has real potential to be the daily driver but also fast when you want a bit more from it. Maybe if you drove a chipped version of your car you would have a little more appreciation for 'extra power for a little money'...

Tuning a car does not have to mean flogging it and the manufacturer is more interested in ensuring frugal fuel economy and low maintenance costs during the warranty period than providing a car that gives you a little more oomph.

If you just want to drive it, why bother with the Mk6 at all? a Mk5 TDI is perfectly acceptable car and a lot cheaper... Or do you want something more?

I totaly understand the chipping idea. I have considered it myself at one point with the GT, and may look at doing something with the new car. But at the end of the day every single thread comes down to chipping the car to xKW and xNM when its not maybe the priority for a large number of people that are looking for the info.

As for chaging to a mk6, i like to change my cars every 18 months - 2 years and with mr rudds kind invenstment allowance it left me able to change over for a fairly small amount of $$

[Corey_R]

Never? I think this speaks more about how and when you drive than the ability of your car.

Chipping is not a great solution in all cars, but for me, I was intending to chip before I bought it. Car went from 110kw to 150'something kw for less than 2k. The car will never be bought by someone who has the attitude of 'chipping is bad', but thats a common attitude and TBH, I will always be hesitant about buying a modified car myself.

I've got the Polo GTI with the APR chip too. I guess really, there isn't anything stopping us from getting the ECU flash put back to normal. I don't see how that's any different from people who have different hardware on the car and put it back to stock for sale?!

[Sharkie]

I've never been outrun, occasionaly off the lights ill get a bit of DSG Lag but never had a problem.

I dont need to "run" with WRX's I'm quite happy with a car that has got reasonable build quality, decent resale and bit of go for when i need it.

Its a good thing you live in Melbourne, as up here in Brisbane, it seems everybody is intent on either merging in front or preventing somebody else from merging in front.

Common courtesy is rare on the roads here I found. As such when you happen to be in the left lane you have to go for it because even the granny in her old Commode is going to try and cut you off and all the idiots behind her will prevent you from merging in behind as well.

Thus having something "premium" that cost a fair bit (ie $40K) feels less special if a Camry V6 blocks your intentions ..... and btw I have a lightly tuned RAV4 MK2 as well that has no problems with GT TDI's, it leaves them feeling sheepish about trying to prevent me merging in front ....

and unfortunately that happens quite often ....

[Mk6 GTI]

Why bother with a GTI if you aren't after the power though?
The car is built with that potential and then restricted due to emissions regulations, chipping/dpf delete just removes those restrictions and gives your the "real" GTI/D experience rather than the dumbed down green experience.

If you are just wanting it to get you from A to B, you might as well have got a 118tsi or a 90tsi.

haha Thats a bit of a simplistic view dont you think?? There is a little more of a difference between a 118tsi and a GTI than a few KWs?? lol

But im sure if i got the 118tsi now you would tell me that the it is restricted and needs a retune also?? lol

I think there is more too it than just emmissions regulations. I think the overall balance of the car and tolerance of parts used etc is part of the design. Being an engineer, i dont see why you would build a car and spend more money on materials and parts that are designed to cater for much more power just incase the car is modified afterwards?? Reality is that you design to a spec with a little margin ontop to play it safe.
I may be wrong! Im not an engineer for VW lol

I like the balance of power and fuel efficiency, handling and almost non-existant torque steer the car offers which in my books makes it impressive. I mean thats what makes it more refined. Why go and break that balance?? May aswell go buy a wrx if its power and massive fuel consumption your after lol

I definitely have nothing against performance mods.. but its not something that I would be doing unless it was vw approved hehe

By all means i am no expert but thats my view Two schools of thought i guess!

[team_v]

haha Thats a bit of a simplistic view dont you think?? There is a little more of a difference between a 118tsi and a GTI than a few KWs?? lol
But im sure if i got the 118tsi now you would tell me that the it is restricted and needs a retune also?? lol

I like the balance of power and fuel efficiency, handling and almost non-existant torque steer the car offers which in my books makes it impressive. I mean thats what makes it more refined. Why go and break that balance?? May aswell go buy a wrx if its power and massive fuel consumption your after lol

I would chip the 118tsi as well as i would with any euro car.

Why not spend another 1.6k to get a massive power boost, better fuel consumption and a broader torque range from a simple ecu remap

[noone]

I like the balance of power and fuel efficiency, handling and almost non-existant torque steer the car offers which in my books makes it impressive. I mean thats what makes it more refined. Why go and break that balance?? May aswell go buy a wrx if its power and massive fuel consumption your after lol

I definitely have nothing against performance mods.. but its not something that I would be doing unless it was vw approved hehe

Break? When I chipped my car, it did not break the balance, it gave it more power. Will the additional power affect torque steer? No idea, have to try. Will the Chip break parts? Highly doubt it as some tuners offer warranty. Will chipping effect the longevity of the car? Yes, but the issues may not arrise in the first 200,000 kms...

Some people like stock, some people feel the need to see what else it can do. I had not modified a car before my Polo, now I've seen what can be done, I'm all over it. Maybe you should trial a chip tune, it only lasts a few hours...

[Mk6 GTI]

Break? When I chipped my car, it did not break the balance, it gave it more power. Will the additional power affect torque steer? No idea, have to try. Will the Chip break parts? Highly doubt it as some tuners offer warranty. Will chipping effect the longevity of the car? Yes, but the issues may not arrise in the first 200,000 kms...

Some people like stock, some people feel the need to see what else it can do. I had not modified a car before my Polo, now I've seen what can be done, I'm all over it. Maybe you should trial a chip tune, it only lasts a few hours...

How does the trial work??

[niulf]

How does the trial work??

As I known, both APR and REVO offer trial program. Just contact their dealers.

[Corey_R]

How does the trial work??

You give Derek from European Autotech a call on 02 9979 4484. You make an appointment to take your car down to Mona Vale, they flash the car (takes less than 30 mins) and then you can trial it. The trial expires after a certain number of hours and if you like it then you can get it permanently in place.

I don't think you'll need a few hours though - you'll be back there within 30 minutes to get it permanently set