Golf GTD CONFIRMED FOR AUSTRALIA!!!

[Pauly]

I am amazed no one has posted this!

VW Australia have confirmed the Golf GTD will be released along with the golf R and Amarock in Q2 of this year!!!

Pricing still to be confirmed, but I think it's safe to assume it will be slightly cheaper then it's brother, the GTI!

Sad news is that the Scirocco is still not coming here, but VW Australia are trying to position it's most powerful varient, the Scirocco R against the likes of Porche and Audi TTS... Which seems very odd considering the Golf R is running with a slightly better setup then that of the Scirocco R...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/49828/2010-volkswagen-amarok-golf-r-and-gtd-confirmed-for-2nd-quarter-release-scirocco-still-no-show

Now the questions need to be answered:

Golf GTI:
155kw
280nm Torque
- More KW then GTD, but less Torque then GTD and R
- Has XDS Diff
- GTI History and looks (Red trim and Tartan)
- Really nice sounding engine and exhaust

Golf GTD:
127KW
350NM of Torque
-Less KW then GTI and R
-Same Torque as R
-Less pedigree compared to GTI.
- NO XDS Diff
- It sounds like a Diesel...

Golf R:
188KW
350NM of Torque
-Same Torque as Golf GTD
- 70nm More Torque then GTI
- 33KW More then GTI
- 61KW More then GTD
- AWD
- LED Tail lights and Day Time running lights

Fifth Gear Review of the GTD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpUrjPEBfcM&feature=related

So what do people think?

[dencar]

Nothing on the VWA website, though. I have one on order.

[pologti18t]

So, from the fifth gear report the GTD is a bit less than the "cost of adaptive suspension" cheaper than a GTI.

So would we expect the cost of a 5 door GTD will be the same as the cost of a 3 dr GTI?

[team_v]

GTD + chip or R20 + chip = win.

GTI is now more of a daily driver for people who want to give it a bootful every now and then imho.

Why bother with the GTI when you can get the GTD and chip it so similar figures, yet save more fuel.

I only went the petrol variant of the tiguan becasue it was 3k less than the diesel at RRP.
If it was placed under the petrol price, i would have gone diesel no questions.

[roy]

If it was placed under the petrol price, i would have gone diesel no questions.

+1............

[Corey_R]

Golf GTD:
127KW
350NM of Torque
-Less KW then GTI and R
-Same Torque as R
-Less pedigree compared to GTI.
- NO XDS Diff
- It sounds like a Diesel...

Where did these specs come from? The GTD certainly does have the XDS 'Diff'. Has VWA said that they're removing it for Australia?

[Pauly]

I read something somewhere saying the GTD didnt have the XDS Diff?

[philthy]

GTD + chip or R20 + chip = win.

Why bother with the GTI when you can get the GTD and chip it so similar figures, yet save more fuel.

The GTI will be lighter in the nose than the diesel and more rev happy. If they were a similar price I would personally go for the GTI for the flexibility of the engine and the handling, but each to their own.

[team_v]

The GTI will be lighter in the nose than the diesel and more rev happy. If they were a similar price I would personally go for the GTI for the flexibility of the engine and the handling, but each to their own.

If handling and engine flexibility were the issue you would go an R20 though, would you not?

The GTI used to be the drivers car, now its more of a daily that also has a bit of go when you put your foot down.
A GTD would be a more suitable daily in that case imho/

[Maverick]

GTD + chip or R20 + chip = win.

GTI without a chip will still be faster than a GTD with a chip and when the GTI is chipped it's miles in front. GTD is severely limited in extra power by the DPF. The GTD handling isn't as good either as it weighs more in the front and has a slower revving engine.

GTI is now more of a daily driver for people who want to give it a bootful every now and then imho.

Why bother with the GTI when you can get the GTD and chip it so similar figures, yet save more fuel.

Because even when chipped the GTD is not as fast. The DPF limits power and diesels are not as good for shorter trips as they take longer to warm up and the DPF clogs up. Plus the extra maintenance (not just from the DPF) IMO bridges the gap on any fuel savings over the life of the car.

The only reason why I would consider one was if I were doing a lot of long distance driving and even than the difference in fuel usage isn't that great.

[iBoost]

If handling and engine flexibility were the issue you would go an R20 though, would you not?

The GTI used to be the drivers car, now its more of a daily that also has a bit of go when you put your foot down.
A GTD would be a more suitable daily in that case imho/

The GTD sounds like a good car, but not in the same league performance wise as the GTI imo. The GTI is still the bench mark hot hatch. If you want a diesel with some grunt though, sure.

The R is obviously superior to the GTI, however not everyone wants or has $60k+ to throw at a new car. Different price brackets.

[team_v]

The R is obviously superior to the GTI, however not everyone wants or has $60k+ to throw at a new car. Different price brackets.

Not that much price difference between an optioned up GTI and a R
Especially if you are going to do mods to the GTI to make it go better after purchase.


And Maverick, whilst the GTD is not in the same league as the GTI due to DPR restrictions (should be removed with a DPF delete), the GTI is also not in the same league as the R so juding by that everyone who is looking at a GTI should get an R.
For normal driving which is what most GTI's are now used for, the GTD will be a suitable equivalent.

There will be a few GTI's that are used for tracking and that would be a better option than the GTD, however the greater torque in the stock GTD should be more than ample enough to accelerate the thing up to the speed limit/allow ease of overtaking.

[STV4SYT]

The GTD sounds like a good car, but not in the same league performance wise as the GTI imo. The GTI is still the bench mark hot hatch. If you want a diesel with some grunt though, sure.

The R is obviously superior to the GTI, however not everyone wants or has $60k+ to throw at a new car. Different price brackets.

Im just changing from a GT TDI to mk6 GTI in the next couple of weeks. I have driven both back to back and i reckon its fair to make a comparison, the GTI is quicker off the line but once rolling, the extra torque of the diesel has a lot more push than the GTI out of corners. I would have either quite easily, but the GTI was available to order in decmber so i got into the investment allowance.

The 0-100 times are a about 1 second slower, but ultimately i wasnt doing the km to justify the diesel having just turned over 25,000 in a bit over 2 years.

[Maverick]

Not that much price difference between an optioned up GTI and a R

The GTI and R32 was around $8000 apart if you took into account the standard leather and bi-xenons which not everyone would want.

Assuming the difference is $8000 that's a fair chunk extra.

Especially if you are going to do mods to the GTI to make it go better after purchase.

Comparing apples with apples you would probably be doing the same mods to the R, even if you chipped the GTI it only adds $1000-2000 to the cost.

And Maverick, whilst the GTD is not in the same league as the GTI due to DPR restrictions (should be removed with a DPF delete), the GTI is also not in the same league as the R so juding by that everyone who is looking at a GTI should get an R.

Price difference between the GTD and GTI is less than $2000. Price difference between the GTI and R will be around $13,000 (assuming that Bi-xenons and leather are not wanted). If you chip the GTD all of a sudden the gap drops to $0 and you still have a slower car.

For less than $2000 more over the cost of a GTD you can buy a GTI that is a heap faster and lighter with better handling plus you can do a lot more to the GTI if you want to.

For normal driving which is what most GTI's are now used for, the GTD will be a suitable equivalent.

What were GTI's used for in the past?

The GTD is heavier, slower, suffers from DPF problems in traffic and takes more than 15kms to properly warm up. How are going to use the GTD for "normal" driving? The GTD would be ok for longer distance commuting.

There will be a few GTI's that are used for tracking and that would be a better option than the GTD, however the greater torque in the stock GTD should be more than ample enough to accelerate the thing up to the speed limit/allow ease of overtaking.

Doesn't change the fact that it's slower nor that it's unlikely to save you any money over the GTI when you factor in all the servicing and potential DPF replacement etc.

[Greg Roles]

So what's your GTI pull down the quarter Mav? <- serious question by the way...