Best way to screw the dealer post deposit

[Allegiance]

Complete with deleted posts and no explanations... ahh vww at its best.

Who's posts have been deleted?

[Guest1306]

Please do not misunderstand what I am saying. I am not speaking on behalf of a dealer, but on behalf of Dermot, me, my personal opinion.

Please leave the money part of the sale aside for a moment, because that is not really what I am referring to. I am talking about the attitude of some people. As a person, I find some peoples attitude disgusting. It is not the way I was brought up. You cannot buy good service for nothing.

If a sale results in customer and sales person hating the sight of each other afterwards, then who wins?

If everybody on this forum is of the opinion that they should all be able to buy a car at cost price from a dealer, then perhaps I am on the wrong forum, and maybe in the wrong industry. Something I will have to address as a result of some of the comments I see here.

[Pharkus]

They are selling it way above what it's worth, hence taking advantage of the customer.

Whatever job you are working at, maybe they are paying you way above your worth and your hourly rate should be decreased?

All I'm saying is that the market price for an item is just what the purchaser and seller agree on. Once again, people are here to make money.

[Allegiance]

Whatever job you are working at, maybe they are paying you way above your worth and your hourly rate should be decreased?

All I'm saying is that the market price for an item is just what the purchaser and seller agree on. Once again, people are here to make money.

So you are of the opinion that dealers/consultants don't take advantage of customers, ever, on anything? (I am not saying all dealers/consultants take advantage of their customers.)

[Pharkus]

No, what I'm saying is that people pay what they think it's worth. No more, no less.

Some are more informed, others less so. But if you were to run your own business or were in the dealers shoes, what would you do?

a. "Oh that's just the RRP, other people get that for $x, so just pay us the amount you think is better?"

Or

b. That's the price and wait to see if the purchaser disagrees.

Taking option B does not mean you are trying to "screw" the customer. It just means you are trying to run your business and do your job.

[Allegiance]

Please do not misunderstand what I am saying. I am not speaking on behalf of a dealer, but on behalf of Dermot, me, my personal opinion.

Please leave the money part of the sale aside for a moment, because that is not really what I am referring to. I am talking about the attitude of some people. As a person, I find some peoples attitude disgusting. It is not the way I was brought up. You cannot buy good service for nothing.

If a sale results in customer and sales person hating the sight of each other afterwards, then who wins?

If everybody on this forum is of the opinion that they should all be able to buy a car at cost price from a dealer, then perhaps I am on the wrong forum, and maybe in the wrong industry. Something I will have to address as a result of some of the comments I see here.

Say if for example you went out to purchase a new TV, would you bargain with the sales consultant to get the best possible price, or would you only bargain up to a point making sure you leaving margin in it so the sales consultant is happy?

[Allegiance]

No, what I'm saying is that people pay what they think it's worth. No more, no less.

Some are more informed, others less so. But if you were to run your own business or were in the dealers shoes, what would you do?

a. "Oh that's just the RRP, other people get that for $x, so just pay us the amount you think is better?"

Or

b. That's the price and wait to see if the purchaser disagrees.

Taking option B does not mean you are trying to "screw" the customer. It just means you are trying to run your business and do your job.

Going on that theory, me asking a consultant to throw in a window tint, isn't me trying to "screw" them but simply trying to get the best deal I can.

[KWICKS]

Who's posts have been deleted?

Mine. Something along the lines of how offensive this thread was, mainly to your intellect. If that's a personal assault and against the forum rules I am sorry, but I think my opinion is far less offensive than tyring to change a deal once its been done.

Especially, as my post said, in light of the fact that there is an an extremely well organised, informative and helpful spreadsheet on here for all to view (if they choose) to make a deal that is good in the market - you can't want more than that - and to make the buying experience pleasant for all concerned.

Personally I love cross shopping for a new car - as I expect most here do, its a car forum FFS - and the test driving is the major part. Comparing cars leads to a decision on your purchase spec, you do some google homework, and the deal usually takes 15 minutes. I walk away happy, dealer is happy, repeat business ensues when the time comes.

[Pharkus]

Probably you got off on the wrong foot in this forum by way of the title.

Calling someone a c*nt then seeing if they will still treat you nicely, just doesn't quite work. Good luck nonetheless.

[Allegiance]

Probably you got off on the wrong foot in this forum by way of the title.

Calling someone a c*nt then seeing if they will still treat you nicely, just doesn't quite work. Good luck nonetheless.

In hindsight I would replace the word screw with bargain. Oh well.

[Corey_R]

Say if for example you went out to purchase a new TV, would you bargain with the sales consultant to get the best possible price, or would you only bargain up to a point making sure you leaving margin in it so the sales consultant is happy?

You bargain - that's obviously.
What you DON'T do is turn up to collect and pay for the TV only to turn around and go "ok, so I'm here, and I've got my cash, but I'm not buying it unless you give me a free HDMI cable and that cheap blu-ray player over there cause I'm looking for ways to screw you post deposit" - such as you've conveyed in this thread

[Frankenstrat]

If everybody on this forum is of the opinion that they should all be able to buy a car at cost price from a dealer, then perhaps I am on the wrong forum, and maybe in the wrong industry. Something I will have to address as a result of some of the comments I see here.

Not everybody thinks that way, Dermot. Don't let it get to you, this thread started off on the wrong foot and now it's in danger of snowballing out of control.

[Allegiance]

You bargain - that's obviously.
What you DON'T do is turn up to collect and pay for the TV only to turn around and go "ok, so I'm here, and I've got my cash, but I'm not buying it unless you give me a free HDMI cable and that cheap blu-ray player over there cause I'm looking for ways to screw you post deposit" - such as you've conveyed in this thread

I NEVER said that I wouldn't purchase the car, would go back on the deal or anything of that nature.

Please quote me as saying that.

[RSwag]

Dealers will NEVER sell a car unless there's a profit in it regardless of how much they complain about a buyer wanting too much of a so called "discount". If they agree to a deal, they're still making money.

This is where you are so wrong. The consultant gets paid on what margin a new car has not on all the incentives. Volume bonus's, survey result bonus's etc could accumilate to 1,000's but because the vehicle itself only made hundreds the consultant gets the minimum $100 before tax.

You WIN
Dealership WINS
Salesperson LOSE

That was my point, the guy that does all the hard work gets stuff all and the business profits handsomely.

Not your concern though, i've had my say

Carry on

[Corey_R]

Please quote me as saying that.

No. You don't seem to realise it's not really just about the exact words that you used in your initial post, it's the attitude that you have conveyed, especially in light of the name of this thread.
You'd be far better off messaging one of the mods and begging them to delete this thread and pretending it never happen than trying to defend yourself now that you've upset so many people, including the dealers who come here and help us all without any pay or thanks other than the appreciation of the VWW members.