Best way to screw the dealer post deposit

[Allegiance]

Just as no one forced you to sign the contract without negotiating extra for the tint and bluetooth, both of which are minor extra's anyway.

The bluetooth isn't worth it and the tint would be $200-300 for a mk6.
Really not worth fussing over.

That is totally unrelated to the statement I made in my previous post.

Actually the tint quoted by the dealer is $895.

[Christopher]

but that is going through the dealer, which always involves large mark-ups (no offense to them). i.e. look at fitting MDI, factory option is <$300, dealer fitting is >$500, based on what others here have posted...

Going aftermarket to a private tinting company such as tint a car, etc... People here have been quoted and done it for approx $400, there abouts...

[RSwag]

Your right no one is forcing them and that's why their is such a high turn over and such a high perpencity for young, uninformative cadets who make the experience a negative one because they are the only buggers that would do it and not question it until things like marraige, mortgages, children arrive.

My brother was releaved to get out of it but he loved the product (a japanese competitor i dare not mention) and he loved meeting and helping new people. A lot of people treated him like crap but there were ome really decent ones that made it all worth while.

For the best part most people felt he was earning $100,000 plus in a bad year and needed to be screwed for every cent. Or that they were screwing over this big corporate company for the best deal and he would get paid the same either way, this is simply not true.

I believe managers though get at least double of the consultants +++ but this is 3rd hand info so i am not sure

Don't get me wrong though, i am not saying lay down and die becuase these poor poor sales consultants are pennyless. Not at all, what i am saying is maybe be a little more reasonable if everyone did what you are intending to do buying a car in the future would become a nightmare.

[Guest1306]

No one is forcing them to work in that business. They must do it for a reason?

I would LOVE to know what you do for a living!

But given your integrity I doubt you would tell us the truth.

[Maverick]

but that is going through the dealer, which always involves large mark-ups (no offense to them). i.e. look at fitting MDI, factory option is <$300, dealer fitting is >$500, based on what others here have posted...

The factory option is fitted at the factory when the car is assembled with the harness ready to accept it and is covered during the warranty period by Volkswagen.

The dealer fitted option has an additional cost as it's sent out in individual boxes around the world with a retrofit kit and than has to be fitted and coded by the dealer who is also responsible for any damage to trim or the electronics and has to support the MDI during the warranty period at their cost. The RRP on the MDI kit for you to buy it over the counter is $450. Is $500-600 really that much for it to be fitted by the dealer?

Factory fitted Bi-Xenons are $1890. To have the dealer fit them is going to set you back around $5000. Is the dealer ripping you off? Nope the price of the parts is in excess of $3000 and there is a few days work to fit them.

Of course factory fitment is going to cheaper, there are so many savings that are made by fitting parts there and it's no different to making changes to your house after it's been built.

Going aftermarket to a private tinting company such as tint a car, etc... People here have been quoted and done it for approx $400, there abouts...

Yes you can save a few dollars and there are those that have had thousands of dollars in damage to trims caused by private tinting firms (over $4300 to a new R32 in Brisbane at one tint franchise caused by a worker that was leaving that same day). If it's arranged by the dealer they're responsible for any damage to trim and will have people do it that know what they're doing.

It's worth paying the extra for peace of mind and knowing that you have one place to hold accountable for damage to trim. And much of the damage will be out of sight and may not be exposed until trim is removed for warranty work (for rattles etc) and you will have no chance of claiming from the tinting place than.

The tint price can be negotiated down as well. As for doing it after the contract is signed

[Allegiance]

I would LOVE to know what you do for a living!

But given your integrity I doubt you would tell us the truth.

Technical Support. I am not exactly going to post exactly where I work on a public forum am I?

Why exactly is my integrity in question? It's not as if I was going to cancel the contract if he said no. In fact it's not as if anything would have changed if he had of said no. I suppose maybe my question wasn't worded correctly to begin with.

How about this:

"What is the best way to discuss/negotiate with a consultant about getting a few extras after I have signed the contract?"

[Allegiance]

Yes you can save a few dollars and there are those that have had thousands of dollars in damage to trims caused by private tinting firms (over $4300 to a new R32 in Brisbane at one tint franchise caused by a worker that was leaving that same day). If it's arranged by the dealer they're responsible for any damage to trim and will have people do it that know what they're doing.

It's worth paying the extra for peace of mind and knowing that you have one place to hold accountable for damage to trim. And much of the damage will be out of sight and may not be exposed until trim is removed for warranty work (for rattles etc) and you will have no chance of claiming from the tinting place than.

The tint price can be negotiated down as well. As for doing it after the contract is signed

That's why my current car was tinted at the dealer. Hence why I wanted to do it again.

[Christopher]

Maverick, I see your point and I would totally agree. I was simply highlighting that dealer fitting vs. aftermarket, dealer fitting is more expensive, with the reasons being as you've stated above. and that formed a part of me deciding to have my tinting done via my dealer as I was happy to pay that bit extra.

However, given that this tread is pretty much about trying to scratch together a few hundred dollars on the tint, I was purely suggesting that there are other cheaper alternatives out there, which will get the job done but, like you said, with potential drawbacks re warrenty on dodgy work.

[elisiX]

Guys my bad - I always thought 30 was what was targeted. My figures of $64k were based on the salesman being on target and paid only the minimum $100 per.

Are you saying that salesmen bust their ass all month, sell 10-15 cars and make less than $65k a year?

[Guest1306]

Guys my bad - I always thought 30 was what was targeted. My figures of $64k were based on the salesman being on target and paid only the minimum $100 per.

Are you saying that salesmen bust their ass all month, sell 10-15 cars and make less than $65k a year?

YES - And that is what makes reading post's such as this one all the more depressing sometimes. There used to be a time when selling cars was fun, mostly because people ENJOYED the buying process and the excitement of getting a new car.

These days it's mostly people out to the get the cheapest price and whatever they can get along with it. There is no fun, no enjoyment, no excitement, no sense of accomplishment, and NO FEEL GOOD FACTOR for either party.

Im am 100% in favour of getting a good deal. But I’m am utterly shocked by this thread title, and the attitude of it's author.

[Dave8878]

Guys my bad - I always thought 30 was what was targeted. My figures of $64k were based on the salesman being on target and paid only the minimum $100 per.

Are you saying that salesmen bust their ass all month, sell 10-15 cars and make less than $65k a year?

Thats exactly right - 50 hours a week for about $50k a year!! oh well back to thinking about the Spa

[Dave8878]

I should add to that previous post that I don't mean that in a negative way as we all have choices in this world and I chose to work where I do and am quite happy about it - The pay could always be better but I get to sell a fantastic product, the team I work with are awesome, my manager is tops and Central Coast Motor Group are a great company to work for. I live in a modest but nice house on the lagoon (no spa yet) with a hot wife and 2 beautiful kids. Life is good!

[triode12]

YES - And that is what makes reading post's such as this one all the more depressing sometimes. There used to be a time when selling cars was fun, mostly because people ENJOYED the buying process and the excitement of getting a new car.

These days it's mostly people out to the get the cheapest price and whatever they can get along with it. There is no fun, no enjoyment, no excitement, no sense of accomplishment, and NO FEEL GOOD FACTOR for either party.

Im am 100% in favour of getting a good deal. But I’m am utterly shocked by this thread title, and the attitude of it's author.

Dermot,

This "loss" of the "feel good factor" is ALL the fault of the dealers. You guys play the game (apparently invented by the salesmen in the states) - i.e. employ several methods to wear down the customer. We customers don't trust you guys anymore.

Just recently, I had a frustrating experience at CCC. The salesguy would agree on a price which he then had to "ask to the manager to approve". This went on for a whole day till we were so pissed off that we eventually bought the car somewhere else.

The role of the junior sales guy is try and get the customer into a position to commit to a figure. But when he does, the sales manager sabotages the deal, so as to frustrate the customer to agreeing to the price that the manager wants to sell it for. They will take you to the cleaners if they see that they can.

They even employed the tactic of raising the price of the car that we wanted because they knew we had our hearts set on it.

So don't come here acting like you guys are angels because you guys certaintly are not by my experience.

[Allegiance]

YES - And that is what makes reading post's such as this one all the more depressing sometimes. There used to be a time when selling cars was fun, mostly because people ENJOYED the buying process and the excitement of getting a new car.

These days it's mostly people out to the get the cheapest price and whatever they can get along with it. There is no fun, no enjoyment, no excitement, no sense of accomplishment, and NO FEEL GOOD FACTOR for either party.

Im am 100% in favour of getting a good deal. But I’m am utterly shocked by this thread title, and the attitude of it's author.

Why do you think customers have the attitude that they just want to get the cheapest price? It's because it is common knowledge that there is no such thing as best price straight up (except for one example of that in this thread).

You have to bargain with them. If consultants where honest, and gave you a fair price up front then the consumer wouldn't have this attitude. (I am NOT saying that all consultants/dealers are this way!)

If you have read my previous posts then you would see that now I would change a few things about this thread. I didn't relise it was such a sensitive issue.

However at this point I cannot change anything about my original post/thread title.

[Allegiance]

Dermot,

This "loss" of the "feel good factor" is ALL the fault of the dealers. You guys play the game (apparently invented by the salesmen in the states) - i.e. employ several methods to wear down the customer. We customers don't trust you guys anymore.

Just recently, I had a frustrating experience at CCC. The salesguy would agree on a price which he then had to "ask to the manager to approve". This went on for a whole day till we were so pissed off that we eventually bought the car somewhere else.

The role of the junior sales guy is try and get the customer into a position to commit to a figure but when he does the sales manager sabotages that to frustrate the customer to agreeing to the price that the manager wants to sell it for.

They even employed the tactic of raising the price of the car that we wanted because they knew we had our hearts set on it.

So don't come here acting like you guys are angels because you guys certaintly are not by my experience.

Thankyou!