Resale value - DSG or Manual??

[windmagnet]

Drive both and get the one you like best.

I have Mk 6 GTI with DSG.

I read a lot about issues with the DSG transmission (especially at low speeds and on slopes) on the UK GTI forum before ordering my car. I have tried to upset it in all kinds of conditions and have had none of the reported problems. Starting on a hill is no issue at all. It may be that there is variability in the performance of the DSG but mine is perfect in this respect.

I find the actual shifting of the box in drive is not always to my liking although it is very fuel efficient. This is easily solved by using Sport or using the paddle shifters to change when you want.

As per Murphy's issue above, when you hit the gas (in Drive) sometimes the box shifts down rather than building the revs in that gear. Bit hard to describe but the shift is not like a kick down in an automatic and is not ideal. This will not happen if you are using the manual mode or have used the paddle shifters (which temporarily overrides drive). [Just re-read Murphs post and it sounds like he is having the issue when in manual shift mode - I don't think I have this problem but will check it out] It has not worried me enough to play around with it but I suspect you can avoid the issue by feeding the gas a bit more gently.

These 2 minor issues are the only ones I have encountered so far.

I also drove the manual GTI and thought that was a brilliant box but I wanted to try something different and the paddle shifting sounded like it would be fun. I have no regrets. Big smiles after driving hard on the snakey sections of the Great Ocean Road making shifts with the paddles.

I am sure I would still love the car if it was a manual.

Off topic - I was taught to drive with hands at 10 to 2 position on wheel. Interesting that at the VW drive day one of the pro's focussed on seating position in the car. Seat should be low (tick), steering wheel fairly high (usually I would go as low as possible and still see the dials), hands should be at quarter to 3 to allow you to make most turns without having to shuffle your hands on the wheel. Last tip made sense and so I have made the change, which took a while after decades of driving at 10 to 2.

The hand position recommended is ideal for paddle shifting as the paddles are right where you need them when it is time for a shift.

[Corey_R]

Yeah - I don't get the 10 to 2 thing. I'm not sure why it is the standard hand position. I've always driven at 9 - 3. But then, I was using race simulators before I 'learnt' to drive a real car, so the 9 - 3 thing was obvious to me.

[G-rig]

Off topic - I was taught to drive with hands at 10 to 2 position on wheel. Interesting that at the VW drive day one of the pro's focussed on seating position in the car. Seat should be low (tick), steering wheel fairly high (usually I would go as low as possible and still see the dials), hands should be at quarter to 3 to allow you to make most turns without having to shuffle your hands on the wheel. Last tip made sense and so I have made the change, which took a while after decades of driving at 10 to 2.

The hand position recommended is ideal for paddle shifting as the paddles are right where you need them when it is time for a shift.

I think 9 to 3 is acceptable now with more cars having controls at your fingertips..

[PA.]

I think 10-2 is better for non powered steered cars as you get better leverage and 9-3 is better for powered steered cars as you do not require the same force to steer.

[pologti18t]

I think 10-2 is better for non powered steered cars as you get better leverage and 9-3 is better for powered steered cars as you do not require the same force to steer.

The standard that driver training courses teach is 9-3 position. Seems to work

[chilliman]

4 weeks into my MK6 GTI with DSG ...

... love the box, always driven manuals before including my MK2 TT back in the UK. The DSG box is great, when stuck in traffic just tick along, when it clears go to sport mode or hit the paddles!

[G-rig]

I think I'll try dsg next time to see what all the hoo-har is about. Although manual is easier if you want to push big power through it.

[guliver_twist]

I would say the manual is better value because it costs 2k less when the car is new and second car values betweeen auto and manual are virtually identical.

[Dubman]

My previous car was a Mk V GTI DSG. Never had any issues with the DSG but just wasn't any fun so I'm back to the manual now. I always disliked the lack of grip on a standing start with the GTI and the dealer blamed this on the DSG. I'll be interested to hear if the Mk 6 GTI DSG peeps have the same problem.

[Maverick]

My previous car was a Mk V GTI DSG. Never had any issues with the DSG but just wasn't any fun so I'm back to the manual now. I always disliked the lack of grip on a standing start with the GTI and the dealer blamed this on the DSG. I'll be interested to hear if the Mk 6 GTI DSG peeps have the same problem.

Lack of grip has nothing to do with the gearbox but everything to do with putting power through the front wheels. Factors that can influence it can be road surface and condition, tyre quality and poor driving.

Changing from a DSG to a manual isn't a fix for any of the above problems.

[Sharkie]

Lack of grip has nothing to do with the gearbox but everything to do with putting power through the front wheels. Factors that can influence it can be road surface and condition, tyre quality and poor driving.

Changing from a DSG to a manual isn't a fix for any of the above problems.

Actually the DSG has issues with modulating the throttle at take off .... I've experienced it (and don't like it) and every single road test of a Golf DSG has stated it.

It hesitates ... you give more throttle ... and the car over-reacts and you get a bit of wheelspin off the line ... in a manual you can modulate better and achieve a smoother take-off.

Grip in both is the same ... its the response to the throttle and driver inputs that are different.

DSG will be worth less come trade time comparatively ....

[STV4SYT]

I would say the manual is better value because it costs 2k less when the car is new and second car values betweeen auto and manual are virtually identical.

I nearly bought a mk6 GTI in manual but after a very in depth conversation with theie used car guy, he persuaded me to go the DSG again. resale wise the DSG's usually ask about $1500 more than a manual, but given that 75% of all golfs now are sold with DSG its easier to sell than a manual and hence worth more as a trade in.

yes it has got its annoyances, and some of them really frustrate me having only ever driven manual til i bought the GT. I find the benefits outweigh these though and i proved this by buying my 2nd DSG car. for me i did a lot of considering and drove both first.

[Maverick]

Actually the DSG has issues with modulating the throttle at take off .... I've experienced it (and don't like it) and every single road test of a Golf DSG has stated it.

It hesitates ... you give more throttle ... and the car over-reacts and you get a bit of wheelspin off the line ... in a manual you can modulate better and achieve a smoother take-off.

The DSG limits torque in 1st and 2nd, is that what you mean?

Personally I have't had any problems getting off the line with the DSG.

Grip in both is the same ... its the response to the throttle and driver inputs that are different.

DSG is faster 0-100.

DSG will be worth less come trade time comparatively ....

Probably/maybe but it's not something that would sway me one way or the other, I picked the gearbox I wanted and as for resale value like most accessories you won't get your money back but the car isn't an investment.

[G-rig]

Actually the DSG has issues with modulating the throttle at take off .... I've experienced it (and don't like it) and every single road test of a Golf DSG has stated it.

It hesitates ... you give more throttle ... and the car over-reacts and you get a bit of wheelspin off the line ... in a manual you can modulate better and achieve a smoother take-off.

Grip in both is the same ... its the response to the throttle and driver inputs that are different.

DSG will be worth less come trade time comparatively ....

I tend to like manual because of that as well, DSG still seems to hesitate/decide and isn't instant when you plan your foot.

Wheelspin has always been a problem if taking off fast in the GTI, some of it is exercising your right foot but DSG doesn't help IMO.

However i've heard that XDS in the MK6 manual may interfere with the full control of the 6MT, and may not be as fun to drive as the MK5 6MT so would be a harder choice next time.

[Dubman]

Lack of grip has nothing to do with the gearbox but everything to do with putting power through the front wheels. Factors that can influence it can be road surface and condition, tyre quality and poor driving.

Changing from a DSG to a manual isn't a fix for any of the above problems.

Well I could never put my foot down quickly (and I don't mean to the floor) in the GTI without some wheel spin. It was frustrating. Happened on dry surfaces with new tyres as well.

Whilst I never drove a manual MK 5 GTI, I suspect you're right that the transmission wasn't the issue - I put it down to a front wheel drive with too much power.