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Do people often join a queue when they dont know what they are getting or how much they what they will pay for it? weird
You find that with high end cars (Ferrari's, Aston Martin's, etc), that no only do people pay substantial deposits to be in queue for a car they may have to wait 2 years for, but people sometimes even sell their place in queue for a nice profit to other people who see the car close to release date but don't want to have to wait for 2 years for their car if they joined the end of the queue.
You will find that quite a few ppl did just that by reading these forums. Lots of ppl paid a deposit with conditions to get in the queue. The beauty of that is if official details when available don't meet a particular critera the deposit is refundable.
But this is the bit I dont understand. The price is essentially that of the outgoing MKV GTI, the options match those of the less golfs (so you could have put dynaudio on your wish list contract), the dealer has a car that matches your original criteria/contract. So, why didn't you buy it? Did you think that paying the deposit put you in the queue for any car you wanted irrespective of the specs? Or are you miffed because you weren't able to haggle on the price?
People still talk about the initial release of the MKV GTI. The wait times then were unbelievable and the prices were rock solid.
The trouble then and now is the plethora of factory options available. No way a manufacturer can keep a stock of all the variations in spec leading to huge waiting times. The Japs get around this buy offering cars with limited factory options or bundled option models. MPS3 is case in point. Two models (base and lux). All you get to choose is the colour.
VW should be congratulated for offering all these tastie options but it causes alot of pain for most buyers in longer lead times and forking out for options on available cars they don't want.
I sometimes think that VW would be better off selling two GTIs, A base model and a luxury one thats specced up, and reduce the number of individual factory options. For instance the GTI in the USA has LESS options available than our market
If MINI can manage an extensive and highly customisable options list in this country, then the comparatively minor offerings (albeit improving) by Volkswagen should be able to be managed. I suppose it comes down to customers being willing to wait for a custom order.
That said, your theory of a base spec and a "package" GTI with some of the more popular options (like the Chilli pack on the MINIs) is a pretty good idea.
But Mini have the same issue that VW does on brand new models. There is always more buyers than cars, and the prices on 'barely used 2nd hand models' are initially more expensive than brand new ones, which reflects this issue.
But yes, I do like the idea of the 'Chilli pack' for VW models too
But this is the bit I dont understand. The price is essentially that of the outgoing MKV GTI, the options match those of the less golfs (so you could have put dynaudio on your wish list contract), the dealer has a car that matches your original criteria/contract. So, why didn't you buy it? Did you think that paying the deposit put you in the queue for any car you wanted irrespective of the specs? Or are you miffed because you weren't able to haggle on the price?
Oh ok to clarify then at the time of deposit the dealer tells me he is basing the paper work on the outgoing mkV as you mentioned. And I was happy for him to do so. However what I am trying to say is that at that time nothing was official. At that time I also wanted 18 inch wheels but he told me the mk6 gti was not going to come with 18 inch wheels. I see where you are coming from regarding the dynaudio as well but regardless, even if I did opt for the dynaudio car at the time of deposit the exact spec of vehicle would not be available. The only cars with dynaudio according to my dealer are for those people who paid there deposit over 7 months ago.
So the 3 reasons I did not proceed with the purchase are and in order:
1) The vehicle in the spec I want is not available.
2) I want a car in or before Jan
3) No bargaining available.
Fair enough it has been made clear about point 3 that that is not a possibility apart from when it comes to dealer delivery. I did not know I could negotiate dealer delivery yesterday so I didnt push that issue. But even if the bargaining was available that leaves 2 other factors, or should i say terms of the contract which could not be met.
Now that I look back and know what i do now (compared to time of deposit because nothing was official) I realise it was a long shot for me to get what I was after re the mk6 gti. But thats what it is all about isnt it? Like I said to you previously, I am not going to settle on something without the options I want, thats just me I'm a picky b@stard
I know not everyone is going to agree with me with all of this and thats cool. I am just being open with everyone and sharing my experience because everyone here seems very helpful. I like these forums cos there is not many bashers in here like a previous honda forum I would frequent when I was in a honda. Also my experience is not over, nor was it a bad experience. The people in the VW dealership were fantastic, I can not talk highly enough about them which is why I this chapter has not left a bad taste in my mouth.
I sometimes think that VW would be better off selling two GTIs, A base model and a luxury one thats specced up, and reduce the number of individual factory options. For instance the GTI in the USA has LESS options available than our market
Actually they have extra options plus extra standard equipment for HALF the price.
Standard is bluetooth, SIRIUS, compass, 8 way seats, MDI with ipod cable, heated front seats and washer nozzles, in wheel TPMS.
5 colours
3 door or 5 door
Autobahn Package (sunroof, sport seats, black leather)
DSG or Manual
1 x 17" and 3 x 18" options
bi-xenon
sunroof
dynaudio
rns 510
rear side airbags (still not an option in Australia because of our arcane laws)
etc etc.
Like I said to you previously, I am not going to settle on something without the options I want, thats just me I'm a picky b@stard
Nah, I'm with you there man! Unless you're a lucky person who can save $50k in a few months, you can't spend a few years of saving on an item that isn't 100% the way you want it. When I go and order my Golf R (after I've saved up a bit), I will make sure I get the exact configuration I want. And I'm prepared to wait for it to be built and delivered
...When I go and order my Golf R (after I've saved up a bit), I will make sure I get the exact configuration I want. And I'm prepared to wait for it to be built and delivered
That was the approach I took with the S3. There were still a few options I wouldn't have minded getting, but once I hit $10K in options I figured I should just settle for the main ones I wanted, haha.
Actually they have extra options plus extra standard equipment for HALF the price.
Standard is bluetooth, SIRIUS, compass, 8 way seats, MDI with ipod cable, heated front seats and washer nozzles, in wheel TPMS.
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That's balanced (afaik) by the single zone climate control, no auto lights, no auto wipers or auto dipping mirror of the US model. The 18inch optional wheels look straight from the normal VW catalog.
That's balanced (afaik) by the single zone climate control, no auto lights, no auto wipers or auto dipping mirror of the US model. The 18inch optional wheels look straight from the normal VW catalog.
They get thousands of dollars in extras and pay half the price so I'm not sure it's that balanced.
Other than the climatronic the auto lights, mirror and wipers can be added for a few hundred dollars.
I would gladly lose the climatronic for a 50% saving on the car
They get thousands of dollars in extras and pay half the price so I'm not sure it's that balanced.
Other than the climatronic the auto lights, mirror and wipers can be added for a few hundred dollars.
I would gladly lose the climatronic for a 50% saving on the car
You can't use that argument when comparing prices of cars in the USA to here. The reason that the US GTI is despecced is to reduce the price (notice there is no ACC option).
Perhaps you should look at the price of a GTI in the UK to here. It's more expensive there !
You can't use that argument when comparing prices of cars in the USA to here. The reason that the US GTI is despecced is to reduce the price (notice there is no ACC option).
The only difference is the climate control which is worth around $2000 but they have $2000 worth of extras so the car isn't really de-specced.
The lack of the ACC is because of their requirement to maintain a certain ride height.
Note that they have extra options like rear seat airbags.
Perhaps you should look at the price of a GTI in the UK to here. It's more expensive there !
Not really relevant as they have similar taxes to us. The point is that the car in the USA is half the price of the car here.
The only difference is the climate control which is worth around $2000 but they have $2000 worth of extras so the car isn't really de-specced.
Not really relevant as they have similar taxes to us. The point is that the car in the USA is half the price of the car here.
Not sure where you get the $2000 worth of extra on the yankie model Satellite radio is hardly a lux item (its standard on a large range of cars in the USA like the Kia Rio!). The yanks do whinge that their VWs are despecced compared to other markets.
ACC is not available in the USA due to price not the reason you stated. The Toureg in the USA has air adjustable suspension.
I also don't see any mention of park assist, parking sensors, rear view camera
The argument about USA car pricing is pointless and endless. The low cost of new cars is matched by crap resale on used cars. Swings and roundabouts.
Not sure where you get the $2000 worth of extra on the yankie model Satellite radio is hardly a lux item (its standard on a large range of cars in the USA like the Kia Rio!). The yanks do whinge that their VWs are despecced compared to other markets.
Bluetooth - $500
SIRIUS - $200
Compass - $200
8 Way Seats - $400
MDI with IPOD - $300
Heated Seats - $400
Heated Washer Nozzles - $100
In Wheel TPMS - $500
Total ~$2600 worth.
ACC is not available in the USA due to price not the reason you stated. The Toureg in the USA has air adjustable suspension.
I also don't see any mention of park assist, parking sensors, rear view camera
ACC is not available due to ride height. The US GTI is higher than the GTI's in other countries because they have laws about the minimum height of the bumpers.
The argument about USA car pricing is pointless and endless. The low cost of new cars is matched by crap resale on used cars. Swings and roundabouts.
Actually it's entirely relevant. As you said earlier the UK is more expensive than Australia. The resale in the UK is worse than the USA when you look at percentages and at least in the USA you get a really cheap price to start with.
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