News: APR Sale & R32 Software / HPA DSG Software

[Nardi330]

only if you have bootcamp lol.

apparently XP/Vista only at this stage.

[anthony_VWJET]

only if you have bootcamp lol.

apparently XP/Vista only at this stage.

damn

[Nardi330]

maybe borrow someone's pc. u only need it once for the down/upload.

ps. i use mac too and install bootcamp just for it.

[anthony_VWJET]

maybe borrow someone's pc. u only need it once for the down/upload.

ps. i use mac too and install bootcamp just for it.

I got a mac to stay away from windows... even though i painfully use windows at work...

Im still wondering as to which flash/chip to get. Dare i create another post to get peoples opinions, but dont want to get into trouble...again.

[Maverick]

i'm not sure if bluefin can flash your car. i guess best to ask Superchip directly.

The ECU is encrypted and as such bluefin can't access it.

[balkanac]

my friend got his 325ci reflashed using superchips the other day for $600. The guy said the pricw is the same for my car too. Gains are pretty much the same as other companies. Something to think about

[isaw]

I'm in this situation as well, and will note the following:

There is a bluefin on my desk right in front of me now, works fine on the work pc to access superchips though the proxy.
The bluefin will not read your stock ECU file if you have had a trial from revo/giac/APR. you need to ask the tuner/VW dealer to flash you to stock again.

Guy from apr in brisbane was very helpful to me when I called him regarding not being able to flash using bluefin as though the car had a apr trial, turns out it didn't, in the end i just took the apr trial and will see how it compares to BF over the weekend. Might even make some logs of 0-100 @ WOT for comparison. Will go back to guy for a proper stock flash then load the BF and test. so far the apr is niceeeeee

IF you plan to go stage 2 i've been told APR is better, but BF have a s2 map now as well.... chino had some issues which he discussed with me.
The EGT from BF is higher than APR, but still somewaht close, interesting to know if your worried about frying your cat.

but yeah I'm hoping to see the APR software drop in price and 20% off bolt ons! then i'll max the CC out

maybe it is time for a new "what chip/upgrade path" thread....

[gregozedobe]

Im still wondering as to which flash/chip to get. Dare i create another post to get peoples opinions, but dont want to get into trouble...again.

maybe it is time for a new "what chip/upgrade path" thread....

Aren't there enough chip/remap threads already (some with heaps of useful info in them) ?

You will probably get the same old opinions and arguments from (mostly) the same people, then it will degenerate into a slanging match , then the mods will start deleting posts , then the whole thread will get locked.

Maybe the mods should start up just one "Remapping" thread, and only allow posts in that one thread (keeps all the discussion in one place, stops multiple threads from being restarted which just plough over the same old ground again and again).

All that said, it is a free forum, so if you feel you must start another remapping thread, it is your right

[gtimk5]

All of this bluefin stuff here has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. If some of you are so happy with bluefin, then I suggest you start your own thread on it if it hasnt already been flogged to death in the past!
Any thread on which mapping is best or cheapest usually gets closed or deleted as so many guys cannot discuss things without getting personal on these topics.
I do get a 2L TDI with bad fuel consumption due to the type of "chip" that had been fitted before the current owner bought the car.
Please get back on topic here please as I canc see trouble ahead....
Andrew

[Rickardo]

Back on topic.

It has been the pricetag that has put me off. Nearly $2000 is a lot of cash, especially in the current economic climate.

However a half price APR map, and I'll be straight down to Guy's East Brisbane's workshop.

[Maverick]

Back on topic.

It has been the pricetag that has put me off. Nearly $2000 is a lot of cash, especially in the current economic climate.

However a half price APR map, and I'll be straight down to Guy's East Brisbane's workshop.

Sure $2000 may be a lot of cash but so is $40-50K for the car. The gains from chipping are the best you'll get for your dollar but they are are also altering a major part of the car. Why would you trust the longevity of your car to a product that doesn't spend a lot of money on R&D and that properly backs their product?

Can a company sell a tune for under $1000 and fund R&D, offer good support and free upgrades. Take into account the size of the market in Australia especially for VAG products and the answer is NO.

Is $2000 really too much to pay? I've been down the path of the cheaper product and I wasted a heap of money and time on what was a poorly thought out and poorly implemented product that had no support.

To put it simply if you don't care or understand how complex changes to the ECU are and don't want support buy something cheaper, if you want longevity, a product from a company that has invested in R&D and offers support you pay more. The same applies to all products.

In this case APR sell it for $X, if you want the product you pay $X and you get the benefits that go along with it.

[ChrisR32]

Another interesting thread on chips.

A suggestion might be to create a sticky thread (if there is not one already) with a list of the threads relating to chips so that we could easily access information and avoid these touchy discussions.

[Guy_H]

On Topic!

The US based sale does not apply here - sorry.

There will Be another APR Australia sale shortly - so keep your eyes peeled. Discounts will vary depending on product - similar to previous sales we have held.

On the 1.4 TSI (Twincharger) We have been working hard on this.

Starting next Wednesday, we have three APR engineers arriving in Brisbane for calibration. One of the first cars they are working on is a MK5 GT 1.4 Twincharger.

Yesterday I spent 6 hours working on the ECU's of the new Golf VI Twincharger & also the new 1.4 FSI Turbo as well - both these cars are scheduled for calibration on this trip as well.

Will post some pics up when it all starts.

P.P.S You can already have your twincharger programmed with the Oettinger product (warranty inclusive) straight away.

P.S - we are also working on the new TSI 2.0T engine now in the Jetta & Tiguan, A4 & A3.

Also the 1.8TSI found in the A3 and a few other variants as well.

PPS -

We are also calibrating the R32 here in Australia - we have secured one R32 for calibration.

Any other Brisbane R32 owners who can help out - it might be well worth your while

[Nardi330]

Sure $2000 may be a lot of cash but so is $40-50K for the car. The gains from chipping are the best you'll get for your dollar but they are are also altering a major part of the car. Why would you trust the longevity of your car to a product that doesn't spend a lot of money on R&D and that properly backs their product?

Can a company sell a tune for under $1000 and fund R&D, offer good support and free upgrades. Take into account the size of the market in Australia especially for VAG products and the answer is NO.

Is $2000 really too much to pay? I've been down the path of the cheaper product and I wasted a heap of money and time on what was a poorly thought out and poorly implemented product that had no support.

To put it simply if you don't care or understand how complex changes to the ECU are and don't want support buy something cheaper, if you want longevity, a product from a company that has invested in R&D and offers support you pay more. The same applies to all products.

In this case APR sell it for $X, if you want the product you pay $X and you get the benefits that go along with it.

so you are implying all the other flashes out there that are cheaper are inferior products that have not had proper R&D done, with no support and will up your car??

i'm not saying APR is crap or over priced or whatever but i think your post a big bit too biased......

there are many factors which effects the price of a product. ever heard of longer supply train, economic of scale, inefficiency or simply greed?

i'm sure APR products are great and given the number of maps and features u got, it's fair to charge a higher price than some competitors but simply to say cheaper products are crap is just a bit over the board.

ps. sorry for the OT, i realised it was going off so i have used PM instead before your reminder.

[Maverick]

so you are implying all the other flashes out there that are cheaper are inferior products that have not had proper R&D done, with no support and will fxxk up your car??

I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that you need to look at the R&D costs, the support costs, the cost of having someone flash the car and so forth and then look at what you're getting for the dollars.

i'm not saying APR is crap or over priced or whatever but i think your post a big bit too biased......

It's not biased at all, it's based on common sense, you get what you pay for generally speaking. I've had experience with a UK based product and it wasn't good and cost me a lot of money and time so I'm talking from experience.

there are many factors which effects the price of a product. ever heard of longer supply train, economic of scale, inefficiency or simply greed?

The supply CHAIN is generally the same for all the products, a distributor in each country sells and supports the dealers (although I believe that one has gone belly up and the dealers deal direct with the head office), ECONOMIES of scale doesn't really work well when you consider the size of Australia and the size of the VAG market and I don't see inefficiencies anywhere except the size of our market.

i'm sure APR products are great and given the number of maps and features u got, it's fair to charge a higher price than some competitors but simply to say cheaper products are crap is just a bit over the board.

I didn't call other products "crap" and I wasn't referring to APR in particular, what I'm saying is that when you take into account R&D, support, marketing and warranty that $2000 isn't all that much to pay. If you pay substantially less then corners are being cut somewhere. At the end of day people can choose whoever they like but to say that one product is the same as another product is akin to saying that the Hyundai Getz is the same as the Volkswagen Golf because when you look at the major areas that both have an engine, 4 wheels, 5 doors, a steering wheel and headlights but it's when you get into the detail that you see what the Golf is 2-3 times as much. Some of the companies producing the flashes don't even have dyno details available, if they can't produce dyno's how much testing of there product have they done? Also look at what they specialise in, some of the companies do every manufacturer out there, the saying "jack of all trades, master of none" comes to mind here and at least one of the companies buys it's maps in bulk from a company that churns out fairly generic tunes with minimal R&D (search Google to see how much you can buy these maps for). I'm not going to go into specifics either as to companies or anything else.