Chip / Reflash for Pirelli GTi

[Guy_H]

Hey Adam,

The TUV approval is required for cars registered in Germany (and a couple of other Euro countries), it does not apply to most export markets.

Unfortunately we pay extra in the overall price as it's part of Oettinger's business - hence why you will always see German products (including wheels / suspension) at the upper end of the price range.

To be honest, I don't think you could tell the difference in this case between the APR & Oettinger tunes!

[Edra]

same here. took one for a test drive yesterday. they can keep their DSG. give me a clutch any day.

just waitin on the Mk6 GTI now... or GTI-R.. if the rumours are true.

The mk 6 GTI is apparently due for release early 2010 in europe, so it may be a bit of a wait here in Au, should be an amazing machine. but something tells me the engine may have a lower output (155 kw) in the mk6 compared to the Audi s3 engine and turbo in the Pirelli Gti.
keep in mind with just an APR flash the Pirelli is producing 315 hp(230) kw and 430nm.

new emissions regulations for the mk 6 golf mean it will be a while before we see a normal mk 6 gti with an S spec engine and turbo (K-04)

I agree on the whole manual shift concept providing feel, but lets face it, few can outshift the bender robot inside the DSG gearbox at 0.2 sec consistent shift time you'd wear out ya box.

[gregozedobe]

I agree on the whole manual shift concept providing feel, but lets face it, few can outshift the bender robot inside the DSG gearbox at 0.2 sec consistent shift time you'd wear out ya box.

For me, the advantage of a manual over a DSG is that I get to choose which gear, when, and (most importantly), when and how the clutch will be let out (and what revs the engine will have when I do it). I'm quite happy to concede that a DSG can change gears quicker than me, but I still prefer the "total control" a manual gearbox gives you.

I test drove a Golf Pirelli the other day, and was totally underwhelmed at the delay in getting going at the lights once you put your foot down (I wasn't willing to do the official launch control thing in someone ele's car). I was consistently getting left behind by an older Mitsubishi Magna for the first 10-15 metres (after that the Pirelli really started to move).

I know lots of people love their DSGs, but it seems I'm not one of them. It is good to have a choice with most Golfs, but the compulsory DSG would be a show-stopper for me if I was seriously considering a Pirelli (DSG-only in Oz).

[Maverick]

I test drove a Golf Pirelli the other day, and was totally underwhelmed at the delay in getting going at the lights once you put your foot down (I wasn't willing to do the official launch control thing in someone ele's car). I was consistently getting left behind by an older Mitsubishi Magna for the first 10-15 metres (after that the Pirelli really started to move).

You're not used to pressing down on the right pedal I assume

The DSG is great off the line without launch control, just back off on the accelerator with your left foot and build up some revs just before the light goes green and you're off.

Don't forget that the Pirelli has more turbo lag and can take a little while to build up unlike the standard GTI with it's smaller turbo.

[PirelliAC]

For me, the advantage of a manual over a DSG is that I get to choose which gear, when, and (most importantly), when and how the clutch will be let out (and what revs the engine will have when I do it). I'm quite happy to concede that a DSG can change gears quicker than me, but I still prefer the "total control" a manual gearbox gives you.

I test drove a Golf Pirelli the other day, and was totally underwhelmed at the delay in getting going at the lights once you put your foot down (I wasn't willing to do the official launch control thing in someone ele's car). I was consistently getting left behind by an older Mitsubishi Magna for the first 10-15 metres (after that the Pirelli really started to move).

I know lots of people love their DSGs, but it seems I'm not one of them. It is good to have a choice with most Golfs, but the compulsory DSG would be a show-stopper for me if I was seriously considering a Pirelli (DSG-only in Oz).

Well maybe mr guy harding can answer this question!! does APR plan on bringing out a DSG software flash?? I have seen the program that is offered by HPA motorsports? Looks like the is some seriously untapped technology in there that can seriously be tweeked!!

Check this out

http://www.hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm

This would be unbelievable paired with an lsd!!!!

So Guy does APR or Harding performance have any plans to develop this kind of software??

[Edra]

LOL Ahh yes the older Mitsubishi Magna, um what an amazing car, with so few of them available in manual it must have been an auto that "consistently" beat you in those 10 - 15 metre sprints.

remember a DSG GTI is no match for the Mitsubishi Magna especially a manual,

in such crucial testing,,,, reaction time is paramount, make sure you take your foot off the brake pedal.

I was totally underwhelmed when I too was beaten in a GTI DSG by an electric forklift,
it seemed like it took 2 metres before the GTI really picked up and started to really get some momentum.

I too miss shifting from 4th gear to first after wearing my pads down using solely my brakes to slow the car's energy.

Actually rather than blame the car I should just admit, im a ****e driver with poor racecraft.

recommended book = twist of the wrist - by Keith Code

[lincs]

The mk 6 GTI is apparently due for release early 2010 in europe, so it may be a bit of a wait here in Au, should be an amazing machine. but something tells me the engine may have a lower output (155 kw) in the mk6 compared to the Audi s3 engine and turbo in the Pirelli Gti.
keep in mind with just an APR flash the Pirelli is producing 315 hp(230) kw and 430nm.

new emissions regulations for the mk 6 golf mean it will be a while before we see a normal mk 6 gti with an S spec engine and turbo (K-04)

I agree on the whole manual shift concept providing feel, but lets face it, few can outshift the bender robot inside the DSG gearbox at 0.2 sec consistent shift time you'd wear out ya box.

but the gti on its own is a beautifully balanced car. those few extra kw from APR are a nice addition, but not essential.

but when it comes down to it, i love my 6 speed. the dsg just didnt do it for me despite the quick seemingly unnoticeable changes. sure, with time id get used to it. but for now, i'll take a clutch pedal thanks.

ive been more than happy with my stocky MkV GTI for the 33,500km so far. and i wouldnt hesitate upgrading when the time comes to a Mk6 (test drive pending!) but im sure thats where im at. i wont hold my breath for any AWD type R models anytime soon, but from what i gather the Mk6 will be here in late 2009?

in the mean time if i wanted a powerful beast pushing out 230kw, id want 4 wheels doing the moving, and id buy an sti.

[Edra]

Ill wait for the mk 6 GTI-R me thinks, an sti loses 43% of its engine power to its drivetrain. 220 kw becomes 120kw at the wheels

[gregozedobe]

You're not used to pressing down on the right pedal I assume

The DSG is great off the line without launch control, just back off on the accelerator with your left foot and build up some revs just before the light goes green and you're off.

Mav, I was pressing the right pedal down all the way (with my right foot) as soon as the lights changed, but it still took some time to get moving (it seemed to be a DSG thing rather than turbo lag). This was on both level and uphill takeoffs.

I must admit am a bit confused about your recommended driving technique : "back off on the accelerator with your left foot and build up some revs just before the light goes green and you're off". Can you explain this one to me in a bit more detail please ? I'm pretty sure I never want to put my left foot on the acclerator pedal, no matter what sort of gearbox I'm driving.

LOL Ahh yes the older Mitsubishi Magna, um what an amazing car, with so few of them available in manual it must have been an auto that "consistently" beat you in those 10 - 15 metre sprints.

in such crucial testing,,,, reaction time is paramount, make sure you take your foot off the brake pedal.

I am relating repeatable personal experience. In those specific circumstances it appears the Pirelli I drove was NOT a match for an older M M (and I'm sure its driver wasn't doing anything different to what I was doing, either.

I was taking my right foot off the brake before accelerating, and my reaction times are better than most (I rode motorcycles for decades, and am still alive to talk about it). I don't do left foot braking because I usually drive a manual and I don't race.

I too miss shifting from 4th gear to first after wearing my pads down using solely my brakes to slow the car's energy.

Actually rather than blame the car I should just admit, im a ****e driver with poor racecraft.

recommended book = twist of the wrist - by Keith Code

I'd love to know how you think this is in any way relevant to my post. AFAIK you have never driven with me, nor have I described how I drive to you beyond what I said in my post.

I certainly never skip gears by changing down from 4th to first, and I get extremely good mileage out of the pads on my cars (eg 160,000Km front and 185,000 rear from a Ford I have just sold, it still had its original clutch, had zero gearbox problems, and yes, it did its fair share of round town driving).

What has "racecraft" got to do with accelerating vigorously from the lights ? Or is this another instance where the driver "needs to learn the correct technique to drive a DSG because they are special" ?

If you think are a crap driver then I suggest you try to improve. If you are trying to suggest I am crap driver by dressing it up in humour I suggest you learn some on-line manners.

[Big Yellow]

I'm seriously doubting the integrety of some of these "new" members that are appearing in these chip threads or any thread at all for that matter.

Sure, I can admit I start up **** sometimes, but there seems to be more and more **** stirrers out there.

Now again, PirelliAC, whats the go with you and you continual mentioning/pushing of APR? I seem to remember I used to get told off quite a bit for mentioning the tiniest thing about GIAC. Now you post the below:

Well maybe mr guy harding can answer this question!! does APR plan on bringing out a DSG software flash?? I have seen the program that is offered by HPA motorsports? Looks like the is some seriously untapped technology in there that can seriously be tweeked!!

Check this out

http://www.hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm

This would be unbelievable paired with an lsd!!!!

So Guy does APR or Harding performance have any plans to develop this kind of software??

And then you have created a completely new thread with the exact or close to exact same wording???


Whats the go here??

I'm getting frustrated at getting singled out when its apparant that people are doing the same for other companies. Lets get some consistancy going shall we mods??

[DaveMack]

We have had plenty of GIAC information in the past as well ... you have been here a relatively short time. Those that have chipped their cars tend to pass the information on with pleasure (be it: GIAC, REVO, Oettinger or APR) ... nothing wrong in that.

Consequently, they tend to ask their chip provider for more information about possible improvements, different programs, etc.

Where you are going wrong is that ... any chip talked about that is not GIAC, you are taking as a personal afront and think you have to put your .05c worth in ... YOU DON'T!

Dave

I'm seriously doubting the integrety of some of these "new" members that are appearing in these chip threads or any thread at all for that matter.

Sure, I can admit I start up **** sometimes, but there seems to be more and more **** stirrers out there.

Now again, PirelliAC, whats the go with you and you continual mentioning/pushing of APR? I seem to remember I used to get told off quite a bit for mentioning the tiniest thing about GIAC. Now you post the below:



And then you have created a completely new thread with the exact or close to exact same wording???


Whats the go here??

I'm getting frustrated at getting singled out when its apparant that people are doing the same for other companies. Lets get some consistancy going shall we mods??

[PirelliAC]

I'm seriously doubting the integrety of some of these "new" members that are appearing in these chip threads or any thread at all for that matter.

Sure, I can admit I start up **** sometimes, but there seems to be more and more **** stirrers out there.

Now again, PirelliAC, whats the go with you and you continual mentioning/pushing of APR? I seem to remember I used to get told off quite a bit for mentioning the tiniest thing about GIAC. Now you post the below:



And then you have created a completely new thread with the exact or close to exact same wording???


Whats the go here??

I'm getting frustrated at getting singled out when its apparant that people are doing the same for other companies. Lets get some consistancy going shall we mods??

Sorry not quite sure what your suggesting but no i don't own shares in APR or any other company.

The fact that certain users of this forum are getting worked up over the supporting certain companies is a little disturbing. I mean seriously make love to your wife/girlfriend or something you got way too much time on your hands.

I use this forum as a medium to ask questions to people with technical knowledge or knowledge obtain by experiences.

My double post was so my question didn't get lost in a thread not directly related to my question, so just Farking relax dude. GEEZUZZ

And hey i'll put it out there, Guy Harding always makes him self available to answer questions and help where he can so why not throw your support behind him. I don't hear the voices of any other tuning companies offering support and advice via this forum for free!!! My lawyer charges me as soon as he answers the phone, So be grateful that these people participate in our discussions and stop with the alterior motive thing man...

PEACE

[Edra]

For those being "consistently" beaten off the line in their DSG GTI by Mitsubishi Magna's

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o

Turn it up

[gregozedobe]

For those being "consistently" beaten off the line in their DSG GTI by Mitsubishi Magna's

I'm sorry, you don't seem to have actually read my post, or perhaps it was just a little too complex for you to comprehend ? I will attempt to clarify for you (you obviously need some help with what I thought were comparatively simple concepts).

When I said "I wasn't willing to do the official launch control thing in someone ele's car" that means I wasn't using launch control. I wasn't driving the car like it was mine, I was driving it the way I drive other people's cars.

When I said "I don't do left foot braking because I usually drive a manual and I don't race." That means I only use my right foot for braking for very good reasons - my left foot has been educated and only has muscle memory for actuating clutches. Most intelligent, experienced manual drivers will realize the implications of that.

So at the lights I didn't turn ESP off, I didn't put the gear selector in the "S" position, and I didn't hold the brake with my left foot while I pressed the accelerator with my right. I did take my right foot off the brake and I did put my right foot all the way down on the accelerator as soon as the lights changed (ie exactly what the MM's driver did).

I did get left behind for the first 10 metres or so by an older model Mitsubishi Magna (several times).

Is there any of that you don't understand now, or do I need to make it even simpler for you ? And please, before you respond, take the time to read and digest what I have just said.

BTW what was all your irrelevant BS about changing gears from 4th to 1st, wearing out brakes and "racecraft" in your previous post ?

If you dish it out you have to be prepared to get it back (sometimes with interest).

If you wish to continue this rather pointless debate (pointless because you keep on ignoring what I am actually saying), then perhaps you could start another thread or go PM ?

[Edra]

Your trying to have us all believe that an "older model Mitsubishi Magna", stock i assume, "consistently" beat you in a DSG GTI. LOL

Its more likely your a crap driver
dont get cut.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o

even without launch control a DSG GTI's 60ft times are considerably quicker than an "older model" mitsubishi magna. genius