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I had two Mk2 GTi's, they handled as well as a front wheel drive car could but were slow as a wet week. I sold them and thought a VR6 was the answer. I was wrong
I know its an old thread, but I just joined here and I'm catching up. Great read. IMO comparing a VR to a GTI - is like comparing a merangue to an oyster. They're both heaps of fun. But sure as anything the taste's different.
Its true - especially the early VRs - don't like bad roads and putting a couple of big mates in the back seat throws the balance right out, but.. heck, that's what Holdens are for isn't it?.
On the other hand, pulling out to pass a double bogey semi in a VR is a rare experience. Whhhooooom and its 210 in the dial and climbing fast. And its just as much fun to launch one hard into a corner, set up the correction and back off. It'll slide through for a moment, wash off some speed, then ... at precisely any time you want to ..... whoooooom again. I don't buy the story they're nose heavy. They just "feel" heavy .. but its the "feel" from relatively low power assistance on a very high ratio. The proof of that is the tyre squeal from the back always comes long before any from the front. As well, the power assist on the brakes is also relatively low and that's accentuated by pedal actions that are very short. Its not heaviness one ought to feel .. its directness. For me a VR is a real throwback in the direction of proper sports cars. Huge grunt, light tight footprint, and very direct controls. Its only got a few serious limitations and one of them is fwd. Even so, take the time somewhere where its ok to get it wrong and pretty soon I'm sure you'll be staggered at how accurate and confidence inspiring these things are.
I'm a big fan of the VR6, I think it's one of the best engines any manufacturer has ever made. It's compact, it's not a complex as a lot of people make it out to be, it delivers nice, smooth power, it takes well to forced induction, and it sounds very sweet.
I was hooked after owning a Golf VR6 and when the time came to get something newer, the #1 car on my list was the Bora 4Motion, as the only car from the MkIV series that came in with the VR6. (OK, so there are some commercial vehicles, and the R32, which I'd love too!)
It's just such a smooth engine, the power delivery is quite linear, and (especially on the 24V) there's plenty of torque throughout the rev range, from 1000rpm to redline.
Peak power output figures don't tell the whole story, as it's torque, and torque at low revs in particular, that gets you off the line and gives you drivability.
In gear acceleration in a VR6 is just sublime, drop it back to 3rd on the highway and you'll give a lot of more powerful cars a good run for their money, oh, and did I mention the sound? =) :twisted:
Peak power output figures don't tell the whole story, as it's torque, and torque at low revs in particular, that gets you off the line and gives you drivability.
You're singing "The "Diesel Song"! Sorry to hijack the thread (and me of all people! ) But torque reigns supreme.
Power is the rate of doing work; force x distance moved...or how fast you move an object through a distance, while torque is the moment of a force; the measure of a force's tendency to produce torsion and rotation about an axis, equal to the vector product of the radius vector from the axis of rotation to the point of application of the force and the force vector.
Anyway, enough of this science teacher cr*p....Torque at low revs is more useful and cheaper than power at high revs in most road driving situations. It's different on the race track (or so I've heard.)
and comparing say a seat to a golf would be unfair it would be like comparing a proton to a mitsubishi seeing asthough proton used old mitsubishi car parts for ages.
OK, so we're all agreed then, the VR6 is all good! =)
its a noise thing!
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