8v vs 16v

[Mrk_Mickey]

*shakes fist* you b....rd in your light and super-drugged car!

[mk3 gti]

hows it goin i hav a 16v golf abf and i can keep up and beat most vr6 and on a trak my car hadels alot betta i recomend the conversion

[Preen59]

Ugh, this is becoming one of 'those' threads How much info in here actually relates to 8v engines vs 16v ones?! Sweet f-all as far as I can see!

Why does everyone on this forum hypothesise about the cost of engine conversions they've never done

There are only a couple of people on here with proper, qualified, industry knowledge (I certainly am not one of them), but they just don't post very often. With threads like this, it's little wonder!

P.S. You can most certainly turbocharge VW k-jet with the right mods - Turbo Technics sold kits to do it only up until a few years ago.

How about we stay on track

Stu, voicing the comments that a lot are thinking since August 2005.

Thank christ for that..

[evorobin]

I've got a 16v turbo mani for a Garret turbo & G60 injectors in the shed if anyone was interested?

[velly_16v_cab]

there was a few 16v turbo kits on ebay last year back in the uk...selling for about 600 quid!

[Valver.]

Ugh, this is becoming one of 'those' threads How much info in here actually relates to 8v engines vs 16v ones?! Sweet f-all as far as I can see!

Why does everyone on this forum hypothesise about the cost of engine conversions they've never done

There are only a couple of people on here with proper, qualified, industry knowledge (I certainly am not one of them), but they just don't post very often. With threads like this, it's little wonder!

P.S. You can most certainly turbocharge VW k-jet with the right mods - Turbo Technics sold kits to do it only up until a few years ago.

How about we stay on track

[aliasmk2]

The big prob with a vr6 is that is 60kg heavier & most of all it has 15 degree tilt towards the front of the car which would have a not to good effect on handling
You always hear about people who do a vr6 conversion in a mk2 that the car looses a lot of handling ability

[peedman]

A vr6 in a 3 door is more tempting to me than an abf but i dont think ill bother for a while lol. I dont know whether many ppl know this but a 3 door is the same size as a 5 door

[aliasmk2]

Only 4 doors that I know of
I have a complete ABF hangen around if someone wants to give it a go

[bsting]

Ive owned both, the 8v and the 16v GTI. As a GTI its not as good as the mk1 or mk2 GTI's (my pick is the 16v in the mk2 range) but it is a great daily with easy to find cheap bits to keep it running! and better on the long trips for the comfort side...
16v is much better for thrashing all though the revs!

60kgs lighter in the front over the VR6.

Worth trying to import one ex-japan i reckon but you will only find 5door ones there...Saw a few 3door ones in untouched tidy nick in the UK last month...

Has anyone put the ABF in a 3door mk3 yet? Hurry up!

[peedman]

Might as well share my 16v build experience. Even tho i used to do everything on my car myself before, its a lot harder first time taking car apart since there are problems that u run into doing it by urself. Factor in the lack of tools, garage space, lack of hands and money and the build time increases alot. Now ive spent alot of money on my car and its taken longer than a mechanically experienced person would take but its the fact of giving it a go and doing things myself that are most rewarding. That being said, a 20V would have been nice but there would have been no way i could have done that myself.

[ScienceVR6]

12v FTW!

But it seems to me an injected 16v has far better tuning ability than a VR6. Like someone here said some where else, You need some sort of weird vodoo magic to get power from a VR6.

I'd love a 16v GTI MK3 3 door.
I recon it would make a bloody fun car, agile, just as quick as a VR, and possibully quicker, once tuned of its face.

Just a hypothetical.

If i wantted an extra 50hp, would it be cheaper to get it out of a VR or a 16v? (injected) (provided the 16v was already here, and in a car)

[Brisben]

Factor in the original purchase of the cupra and you could just go and buy a POLO GTI.

He does have a unique car, but thats the cost.

A conversion is not an exact science. It is hard to quantify and price up.
They usually cost more than buying a stock later model car and end up being worth less.

I`m not trying to shoot you young blokes down, but go and build something, then share your wisdom.

Wise words I reckon, I don't know anyone who has heavily modded a car without losing lots of money in the the process. I mean a loss because no one keeps a car forever, at the point of sale , watch you money float away.

I have found best buy something modded already, then you get the bargain, the only downside is some of these heavily modded cars have been done poorly and you don't know really what your buying.

But on a cost only basis a worthless exercise.

[Golf Houso]

Cost $6k for the donor car

Took 3 months, not constantly, but a bit everyday.

Also factor in new bushes, engine mounts, timing belt and lots of other stuff you will will wanna change whilst the motor is out.

Also modifications to fit the intercooler, piping, wiring and more.

No change from $10k.

My brief was to get the car running.

Dave has probably spent anothe $5k or more getting the thing to go faster and faster with ecu and turbo upgrades.

Factor in the original purchase of the cupra and you could just go and buy a POLO GTI.

He does have a unique car, but thats the cost.

A conversion is not an exact science. It is hard to quantify and price up.
They usually cost more than buying a stock later model car and end up being worth less.

I`m not trying to shoot you young blokes down, but go and build something, then share your wisdom.

Thats all that I wanted to know... thanks

[Jarred]

Even if you could get it all setup, kbasic is really limited to about 200hp
People did not stop using for no reason

I'm pretty sure some people have gotten more out of it before! 300HP I've heard of. And mercedes was using it up until the 90's! it's really not that bad.