8v vs 16v

[Golf Loon]

Cost $6k for the donor car

Took 3 months, not constantly, but a bit everyday.

Also factor in new bushes, engine mounts, timing belt and lots of other stuff you will will wanna change whilst the motor is out.

Also modifications to fit the intercooler, piping, wiring and more.

No change from $10k.

My brief was to get the car running.

Dave has probably spent anothe $5k or more getting the thing to go faster and faster with ecu and turbo upgrades.

Factor in the original purchase of the cupra and you could just go and buy a POLO GTI.

He does have a unique car, but thats the cost.

A conversion is not an exact science. It is hard to quantify and price up.
They usually cost more than buying a stock later model car and end up being worth less.

I`m not trying to shoot you young blokes down, but go and build something, then share your wisdom.

[Jarred]

Yes you can.
Google Kjet and Turbo Technics.
Here is a thread with pics
http://vagdrivers.net/forums/index.p...0&#entry164473

re read. The emphasis was on the "just". as in my previous post, I said it's possible, but you need turbo stuff from volvo turbos, porsche 200T etc etc

So not something you can 'just' do

but for jayjay, expense and difficulty wouldn't be worth it imo

I'll read that thread later on.

[aliasmk2]

how about volvo? you know peter jones' set up with his DIY cold air intake? apparently he used a volvo airbox, and theoretically, couldn't i run a turbo without a computer?

or am i just talking out of my ass? thanks for input though guys

Even if you could get it all setup, kbasic is really limited to about 200hp
People did not stop using for no reason

[evorobin]

Considering you recently put a 1.8T in an Ibiza over a matter of days and had to road registered, even retrofitting the loom to fit the dash

Can I see a quote from matt because he is clearly mustard these days!

Go away, do it and come back and humble us with your wisdom...

[Golf Houso]

LOL less talking more listening for you Houso. It took a lot longer than that to build the 20VT Ibiza. That was with a complete donor car which was already running aftermarket fuel computer, so really just had to be plug and play.

That took me, an experienced industry professional a fair while. To those of you talking hot air and theorising about doing such a job at home. Good Luck.

It still costs lots of money wheteher I do it or you do it at home.
I can do it faster as I have a workshop and facilities and knowledge, but you will have lots of dramas to overcome and that will cost you time and money.

Jay Jay. There were Turbo Technics conversions back in the day which used the kjet setup. And yes you can push more fuel into a NA setup using Volvoparts. Early Saabs also used Kjet, but I never had much luck getting those parts to work on VW. Volvos yes.

Audi 200T used kjet, Turbo and 5cylinder. Look it up. In the US they cut the 5th cylinder part off the manifold and use only 4 of the lines and bolt it onto your 4cylinder motor.

Easiest upgrade for your car Jay Jay would be a 16v, as yours is one of the few Mk2 running Kjet. Plug and Play for you mate

so what was the time and cost then?

[Golf Loon]

NO! you can't just turbo K-jet.

Yes you can.
Google Kjet and Turbo Technics.
Here is a thread with pics

http://vagdrivers.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17879&pid=164473&st=20&#entry164473

[Golf Loon]

Note the ALOT more, as you probably know is a very subjective word and I never meant it in terms of 100's of $'s, but rather in 1000's $'s. Considering you recently put a 1.8T in an Ibiza over a matter of days and had to road registered, even retrofitting the loom to fit the dash. I doubt it would have costed anywhere near much as if I were to do it, but it was done by you, and done in a rather short period of time and for next to nothing I'd imagine being a wrecker.

So yeah maybe I should spend less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, and then I might know what I am talking about

LOL less talking more listening for you Houso. It took a lot longer than that to build the 20VT Ibiza. That was with a complete donor car which was already running aftermarket fuel computer, so really just had to be plug and play.

That took me, an experienced industry professional a fair while. To those of you talking hot air and theorising about doing such a job at home. Good Luck.

It still costs lots of money wheteher I do it or you do it at home.
I can do it faster as I have a workshop and facilities and knowledge, but you will have lots of dramas to overcome and that will cost you time and money.

Jay Jay. There were Turbo Technics conversions back in the day which used the kjet setup. And yes you can push more fuel into a NA setup using Volvoparts. Early Saabs also used Kjet, but I never had much luck getting those parts to work on VW. Volvos yes.

Audi 200T used kjet, Turbo and 5cylinder. Look it up. In the US they cut the 5th cylinder part off the manifold and use only 4 of the lines and bolt it onto your 4cylinder motor.

Easiest upgrade for your car Jay Jay would be a 16v, as yours is one of the few Mk2 running Kjet. Plug and Play for you mate

[Jarred]

how about volvo? you know peter jones' set up with his DIY cold air intake? apparently he used a volvo airbox, and theoretically, couldn't i run a turbo without a computer?

or am i just talking out of my ass? thanks for input though guys

NO! you can't just turbo K-jet.

pete's done the volvo airflap mod, like many others do. It's a larger airflap/airbox that flows more (basically) thats what the mod is. and you can't just whack a turbo on it.

Yes you can run a turbo without a computer as such, but that would be using a carb. If you're serious about turbo'ing, save your pennies and go standalone engine mangament and ditch the K-jet. Not worth the hassle imo

Sorry for OT.

[Golf Houso]

You are an idiot if you believe this.

The 20VT engines are more to buy and will need a $2500 minimum aftermarket computer to run.
If you got an ABF 16v and loom and ecu, its plug and play into a Mk3 and would cost less than half.
You wouldnt go as fast as a 20V, but you would spend a lot less.

Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, you might know what you are talking about.

Note the ALOT more, as you probably know is a very subjective word and I never meant it in terms of 100's of $'s, but rather in 1000's $'s. Considering you recently put a 1.8T in an Ibiza over a matter of days and had to road registered, even retrofitting the loom to fit the dash. I doubt it would have costed anywhere near much as if I were to do it, but it was done by you, and done in a rather short period of time and for next to nothing I'd imagine being a wrecker.

So yeah maybe I should spend less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, and then I might know what I am talking about

[jayjay]

how about volvo? you know peter jones' set up with his DIY cold air intake? apparently he used a volvo airbox, and theoretically, couldn't i run a turbo without a computer?

or am i just talking out of my ass? thanks for input though guys

[aliasmk2]

It's possible, but you need the K-jet off a porsche 933 era 911 turbo to do it. Practically, it'd be cheaper to go aftermarket and possibly more beneficial too, something like a Mircotech LXT8 should do the trick.

SAAB is another company that used k-basic 0n turbo motors, only until they could come up with something better
Its only viable to keep k-jet running on 2nd parts (all at least 20 yrs old), as it costs around $1500 to reco a system & a lot more using new parts if you can still get them

[Jarred]

so then which is the best 16v? i mean all things considered, ie. including mild headwork and a mild road cam. also, is it possible to mechanically turbocharge k-jet?

It's possible, but you need the K-jet off a porsche 933 era 911 turbo to do it. Practically, it'd be cheaper to go aftermarket and probably more beneficial too, something like a Mircotech LXT8 should do the trick.

[Bug_racer]

I picked up a whole mk4 gti wreck over 2years ago for $5k . Im sure you could get one for less today . You dont need to run an aftermarket computer , you can use the standard wiring harness , if its a mk1 or 2 it would make sense to swap the gearbox as well and also the dash .
A 16V maybe cheaper , but reality is , these are old engines now , and the price to install a 16V to get that 110 or so KW you could modify the 8V , and if you want power your better off doing the 1.8t conversion .

Thats my 2c

[Golf Loon]

Just slam in a 1.8t wouldn't cost alot more than a fan dangle 16v either...

You are an idiot if you believe this.

The 20VT engines are more to buy and will need a $2500 minimum aftermarket computer to run.
If you got an ABF 16v and loom and ecu, its plug and play into a Mk3 and would cost less than half.
You wouldnt go as fast as a 20V, but you would spend a lot less.

Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time having experience with cars, you might know what you are talking about.

[gtimk5]

... ?!

Sorted that one out, A 16v only has one sprocket as somone thought otherwise.
All good and not a lot of difference pricewise to replace a cambelt as I originally stated. Only difference would be the price of the belt. Neglible, and they run the GLD belt tensioner on all the earlier twin cams.
Cheers, Andrew