mk2 Brake Upgrade

[alex g]

i am going 280 route for the mk1 and a little something special (front)and mk4/3 for the rears

[aussieg60]

im doing a 256mm front and rear from a passat gt (everyone in nz buy them and rape them for parts) and also 22mm master cylinder.just make sure you take the whole carier and rear stub axles

I see a few GT's pop up in trademe for around $700 - $2K. Would be well worth it for parts including the 16v motor. I will keep a look out when Im there during the festive season.

i am going 280 route for the mk1 and a little something special (front)and mk4/3 for the rears

What do you need to adapt to the wilwood setup ? Do they just bolt up ? Do you need again parts from 16v & G60 ?

[alex g]

they bolt up with mmp adapters not cheap but easier and so much lighter than doing it myself

[aliasmk2]

I have a pair of Girling 60 twin piston calipers (280mm) that are going on my car in in the near future
they pop up on ebay motors for the right price, but are darn heavey to ship

they were used on the audi s4 & s6 cars in the early 1990s
It is the same deal to instal as g60 brakes,
use the mk3 hubs, which are the same as the mk2 16vavle & the girling 60 carriers will fit the same as g60 carriers

I think the g60 cars used a girling 54 caliper

I am not to sure that the vr6 calipers are the same offset & therefore require extra vr6 components to work, which can lead to camber probs & so on

I think that without spending large $ on something like willlwood or brembo kit this is a fairly good value package

[aussieg60]

What do you guys think of this kit ?

http://www.performance-cafe.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_18&products_id=654

[aliasmk2]

Looks very nice, except I would not like to put it in the post
They might do a deal without the rotors & you can pic them up over here

There is a place in Canada called momentum motor parts or something very similar, who do well priced willwood brake kits for dubs & will send without the discs

the power seller on ebay motots yhat I got my girling 60s is called euro rescue & they tubo list every fortnight
altogether I landed the girling 60 calipers & carries for about $260 au & all of the othe parts are available in oz

OUt of interest I rang audi in Brisbane to get a price for new calipers & carriers & got quote more than 4k

[aussieg60]

This is the site you are talking about.

http://www.momentummotorparts.com/store/braking.asp

Anyone got this fancy gear on their cars ?

[aliasmk2]

Yep thats the place I mean, they make some very high quality gear

I haven't got any of their stuff
I nearly brought a set of the adaptors for my mk2 instead of doing the mk3 hub conversion
The only reason that I did not was because they are illegal here
it all looks like the type of thing I would like to put on my car

[h100vw]

I want to keep it 4 stud but would like to know what would be best to upgrade from my 239mm fronts.

Jesus, 239s and a G60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The way to go IMO is like Robins set up. 256mm hubs and calipers with 280 discs and carriers.

A Passat or Mk3 Golf would be the cheapest source, you need to have the ball joints too if starting with early 239s.

Robin's brakes are tremendous, even without the bigger master cylinder.

Gavin

[aussieg60]

Jesus, 239s and a G60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, I drive the speed limit, and I'm a feather foot

So I havent upgraded the brakes yet. Its next on the list hence the information needed flowing in this thread.

I'm liking the Wilwood's in the link above but not sure if its just a bolt on.

What is the effect of a 22mm master cyl ?

[aliasmk2]

Jesus, 239s and a G60!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robin's brakes are tremendous, even without the bigger master cylinder.

Gavin

Hi Gavin,
do Robins g60 brakes have 1 or 2 pistons & do you mean the standard 20mm MC ???
I have heard that the twin pistons need at least 22mm or even better a 25mm MC to cope with the extra cylinder

"I think my car should be able to stop faster than it goes"

to answer assieG60 Q. about the willwoods (metal porn), I think that they come with the adaptor plate to suit either a mk1 or a mk2

[alex g]

This is the site you are talking about.

http://www.momentummotorparts.com/store/braking.asp

Anyone got this fancy gear on their cars ?

they bolt up with mmp adapters not cheap but easier and so much lighter than doing it myself

just the adapters as all the rest you can source localish

[aussieg60]

The Wilwoods are a 4 piston caliper, so definately a 22mm MC + ?

The perfomance-cafe 280x22 looks like a good kit with everything included for the upgrade.

What would you gain from the Wilwoods ? (metal porn for your eyes ) or much improved braking than the performance-cafe kit ?

[h100vw]

Fellas, I reckon the Wilwoods would go ok on MK1 or 256mm MK2 hubs but not the std MK2 239s.

None of the std fit brakes have 2 piston calipers.

Providing the pistons are the right correct diameters in twin piston caliper there is no reason that a larger master cylinder should be required.

A bigger MC would increase pressure in the system and reduce pedal travel but not improve feel as the brakes would be dead sharp and harder to modulate.

Robin's pedal feels just right and doesn't feel soggy in operation.


<Dad mode on> buying wilwoods for anything other than cosmetic reasons would be a waste on most road VWs. I had a close to 200hp G60 and ran std 280s with good pads. Exactly the same setup would haul down the substantial weight of my Passat syncro without any fade. <Dad mode off>

Gavin

[alex g]

and 4 pots and bigger pads is always going to be to your advantage