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  • The mk3 1.9L TD power-quest

    So, i htought i'd start a thread to give some new life to this slow diesel forum (no pun intended!).

    Late last year I aquired a '94 Mk3 CL Golf. Personal import, 1.9L Turbo-diesel, (engine code AAZ). Note, this is not TDi, its indirect injection like the old mk1!

    On the face of it, the mk3 is a pretty car - aftermarket dual round headlight clusters, dark tails and fogs, and ofcourse the elegant Speedline 16x7.5" alloys.


    The car was a bit of a dawdler when I picked it up - completely standard engine.

    This early model mk3 but late model IDI diesel has the same old VE injector pump that the mk1 uses, much to my joy - it is a highly tuneable item, with a couple of minutes of turning screws the car can become a totally different beast!

    the Manual states the stock output to be a dithering 68hp - and i'd believe it! however, theres no question that something was still working at low rev's, because it would still pull well up long hills.

    The k14 turbocharger is well matched to the engine for gnereal driving, as i realised after my first modification - a boost guage into he centre consolse, in order to see just what it was doing.

    I was glad to see that the stock boost was right where it ought to be at 12psi.

    my hunger for more power was overpowering, and as such the injector pump became the focus of my attention. The so called "smoke screw" was the first place to go, and with a small adjustment i soon realised just how under-fuelled this thing was - with just an 1/8th of a turn it went from "slug" to "gets out of its own way" which made me immensly happy.

    next, the timing retard solenoid got my attenstion - this retads the timing at low engine speeds in order to lessen the diesel rattle - i couldnt care less! the darn car gained more than a few extra horses under 2800rpm once that was sorted.

    Then i began to wonder about intercooling. I was sure that the car could take more air and fuel, but i wanted to build the foundations for future tuning, so more air came in the form of an intercooler.

    some basic thermodynamics says that if the turbo is compressing the inlet air to 12psi, then it could be as hot as 130degC on exit! if i could get an intercooler to bring this down atleast to under 60deg, i would get an extra 10-15% more air into the engine - without even increasing the boost!

    after a few trips to the wreckers and a lot of headaches, the intercooler from a Pug 405 SRDT found a new home above the gearbox in the engine bay, with a stainless steel cowling and ducting for fresh air from the now functional CL lower air intakes on the front bumper.

    10-15% more air then translates into 10-15% more power once the fuelling is up to it, and the difference was remarkable - this car now moves very well indeed!

    Up to now, the last modification was the boost compensation device on the injector pump. The pump uses a contoured pin attached to a diafragm to make fuelling adjustments - and the shape of the pin gives an indication of the fuel curve, so to speak. the standard 1.9 pin is flat, with a small bump increasing fuelling a tiny amount as boost reaches 9-10psi.

    I sourced a different boost pin from a 1.6 TD pump which gives a more power oriented fuelling curve - a gradual increase as boost goes up - and this has since transformed the car into something truely fun to drive - much more power than the 1600 big carbie LS with extractors that it lives next to in my garage!

    I would guess that the modifications so far have given me close to 95hp, a good 40% increase atleast - but though this doesnt sound a lot, it is the extra torque that makes the real difference. from 1500-3500rpm, the little diesel accelerates relentlessly, and its fair to say that the 60-80 time is similar, in the same gear, to the 100-120 time.

    all of this without even changing the restrictive exhaust system which is seriously impeding performance..... no prises for guessing whats coming next.

    I intend to keep this thread updated as more developments occur, but suffuce to say, im aiming high, but reliable.
    '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
    '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
    '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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    Nice little write up, I look further to seeing further mods! I would love a diesel golf, but being as rare as something that's really rare, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon!

    Have you thought about popping it on a dyno? It would be interesting to see indeed!


    i like volkswagens
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    • #3
      Fuel consumption?

      Ayden... Have you had a chance to calculate the changes to fuel consumption as you progressively modified the motor? I bet the intercooler had a beneficial effect!

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      • #4
        are there chips available for this engine? good on ya, this is very educational
        VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
        There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
        My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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        • #5
          nice write up thanks for that keep it coming
          2x Caddy, 1x Ducato

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cetane View Post
            Ayden... Have you had a chance to calculate the changes to fuel consumption as you progressively modified the motor? I bet the intercooler had a beneficial effect!
            some consumption figures:

            just after purchase, no modifications - 6.6l/100km combined
            after timing retard disabled - 5.9l/100km combined
            turbocharger limit switch adjustment - 5.8l/100km combined
            intercooler - 5.5l/100km combined

            this is based on what i call "normal routine driving" however, the use of b100 seems to push consumption up by 0.6l/100km in all conditions, and also the increased fuelling allows me to blow out consumption to as high as 6.9l/100km on biodiesel right now, with lots and lots of heavy/fast driving.

            the net affect has therefore been beneficial but for allowing me to make consupmtion worse by driving very hard...
            '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
            '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
            '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GoLfMan View Post
              are there chips available for this engine? good on ya, this is very educational
              This engine basically zero electronic engine management - everything is mechanical. there is no ECU... thus my happyness at the car because of its "tunability" - i can tune the engine to my like's without having to play around with electronics. all aspects of the engines performance are governed by either the injector pump or the turbine wastegate.
              '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
              '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
              '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jarred View Post

                Have you thought about popping it on a dyno? It would be interesting to see indeed!
                i would certainly like to put numbers in place of words - but not until i get my new exhaust system on the car, since at the moment it is so restricted that i'm afraid to use full throttle for longer than about 5-8 seconds, for fear of high EGT's melting my turbo/pistons etc.
                '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
                '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
                '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gldgti View Post
                  This engine basically zero electronic engine management - everything is mechanical. there is no ECU... thus my happyness at the car because of its "tunability" - i can tune the engine to my like's without having to play around with electronics. all aspects of the engines performance are governed by either the injector pump or the turbine wastegate.
                  that freaking awesome mate that makes life all that much easier!!!
                  VW: it aint just a car, its a way of life
                  There are few things more satisfying in life than finding a solution to a problem and implementing it
                  My Blog: tinkererstales.blogspot.com.au

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gldgti View Post
                    all aspects of the engines performance are governed by either the injector pump or the turbine wastegate.
                    I would have thought there may be possible gains to be had from better gas flow by modding intake, valves, cams, compression ratio, intake air temp (eg more efficient intercooler), turbo capacity/efficiency or exhaust ? I didn't realize diesels were THAT different to petrol engines (except for being not very amenable to tuning for more power at higher revs)
                    2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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                    • #11
                      Nice write up and an interesting read.
                      Look forward to hearing more.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
                        I would have thought there may be possible gains to be had from better gas flow by modding intake, valves, cams, compression ratio, intake air temp (eg more efficient intercooler), turbo capacity/efficiency or exhaust ? I didn't realize diesels were THAT different to petrol engines (except for being not very amenable to tuning for more power at higher revs)
                        ahh - sorry about the misunderstanding -

                        All aspects of the engines performance in terms of engine management (i.e. air and fuel intake) are goverened by the injector pump and turbine wastegate.

                        this is not the same as saying that other improvements such as bigger valves, reducing flow losses and optimising mechanical efficiencies do not have the ablility to increase the power output - merely that these things are not part of the engine management...

                        Indeed, adding larger valves would be desireable - if it were possible! but alas, there is no more room for larger valves, and in fact there is no real need in terms of max horsepower that is likely - the turbocharger more than makes up for that. likewise, there not a lot of improvement possible with the cam timing (for IDI diesels) either.

                        however, portmatching and polishing does work well for diesels, as well as ceramic coating of the piston crowns, and exhaust valve faces.

                        now, there are gains to be had in the areas of compression - lowering the compression from the stock 22.5:1 down to about 18.5:1 would likely be optimal - however this has implications for cold starting behavior etc etc - and is far beyond what i want to do with my daily driver!

                        when i come to modify my 1.6TD for the mk1 hillclimb/rally/whoknowswhat car, then i will certainly look at these things... but under 150hp, i would be wasting my own time and money bothering on some of the more serious modifications for the 1.9L AAZ in my daily driver.

                        And, please note that I have already mentioned about modifying the exhaust on the car in the first post...
                        Last edited by gldgti; 30-01-2008, 05:23 PM.
                        '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
                        '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
                        '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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                        • #13
                          As the old saying goes, "How fast can you afford ? "

                          I agree that what is possible should never be confused with what is practical, desirable, satisfying, justifiable, sensible or just plain economically rational. And everyone has a differing definition for when the line is crossed, and where their priorities lie.

                          From what I can see, if a tuner gets too ambitious with hotting up diesels you can end up with lots of torque and power, but over a very narrow rev range, thus making the car difficult to drive and not much fun at all in everyday driving.

                          I find the low rev torque of a good diesel is much of the fun of driving one ( I love the kick that I get from the 400Nm my transporter has at 1800rpm, no waiting for revs to buld up, just put your foot down and go, even in 6th gear). And this has the added advantage that you can enjoy this fun without constantly risking your licence - I will have to be a lot more careful when I take delivery of my new Octavia RS wagon (2.0 TFSI motor which likes to rev much more than the diesels).

                          I hope you have a long and enjoyable relationship with your newly peppy beastie.
                          2017 MY18 Golf R 7.5 Wolfsburg wagon (boring white) delivered 21 Sep 2017, 2008 Octavia vRS wagon 2.0 TFSI 6M (bright yellow), 2006 T5 Transporter van 2.5 TDI 6M (gone but not forgotten).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gregozedobe View Post
                            From what I can see, if a tuner gets too ambitious with hotting up diesels you can end up with lots of torque and power, but over a very narrow rev range, thus making the car difficult to drive and not much fun at all in everyday driving.
                            this is not really true, but i can understand why this might be the general understanding...

                            typical diesels don't like to rev, i'll agree - especially direct injection engines like the TDI's.

                            Indirect injection has the advantage of allowing very early injection so that high rpm can be reached.

                            people will go on about stress on the engine and blah -di blah blah blah, but none of this is really an obstacle - its entirely achieveable to have 3-4000rpm of good driveable power in a diesel engine - and that is just as good as any performance petrol engine;

                            the fact that a diesels range of rpm might be restricted to say, for me, 5000 rpm, leaves me with everything under that to make as much power as i can. the stock engine pulls well from about 1600rpm, and thanks to the rpm governor the Injector pump starts cutting the fuel at about 3200rpm, so at the moment, i have about 1500rpm worth of real power - not a lot.

                            however, if i dive into the injector pump with a couple of shims, and install some clever boost control (which i plan to do) theres no reason i cant make good power all the way to 5000rpm quite safely - then i get 3400rpm of good drivable power.

                            now i know from driving other cars that 3400rpm of good power is very reasonable - a vtec honda might get you 3000rpm above 4500rpm, and a LS1 5.7l v8 doesnt really get up and boogy until its over 3500revs either -

                            so the argument about a narrow power band doesnt really apply - it is more of a phsycological boundary.

                            i guess the proof will be in the dyno charts, hehe

                            theres a lot of guys with modified 1.6TD's in the states reving out to 6500rpm - and full 25-30psi of boost from 3000rpm means big power figures - 200hp is possible. but peak power being just a selling point, im rather more concerned with the fact these engines have a flat torque curve, and hence great driving feel.

                            if i can achieve good feel and a strong pulling engine all the way to 5000rpm, i don't think anyone would hop in the car and think it was difficult to drive.

                            the other nice thing about diesels is this - the only thing that controls the power output of the engine is your foot. regardless of rpm, a highly modified extremely powerful diesel engine will react just the same as a boring dawdler as long as you keep your foot off the floor. unlike a grumpy petrol engine with camshaft modifications, large valves and big bore throttle bodies...
                            '07 Touareg V6 TDI with air suspension
                            '98 Mk3 Cabriolet 2.0 8V
                            '99 A4 Quattro 1.8T

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                            • #15
                              i cant wait to see how your car turns out (if you ever stop modding it ) would i be able to leech a quick ride in it next time im in gosford? id be happy to take you for a spin in my gt
                              2x Caddy, 1x Ducato

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