Adding 2 stroke oil to fuel - Interesting reading!!

[kaanage]

What are people's thoughts on these comments and pictures of wear in CR HPFPs?

[Diesel_vert]

What are people's thoughts on these comments and pictures of wear in CR HPFPs?

"Thanks, I appreciate the time and effort he has taken to post these photos" - which is about as much as I'm qualified to say, really.

When viewed in isolation and without any comparison shots of new and/or damaged parts, perhaps he could expand a little on what we're supposed to glean from these photos (for those of us who are not experienced engineers or mechanics)?


But I thought the debate on what effect two-stroke oil has on lubricity alone was settled (refer to Spicer's additives test), though after re-reading some of their latest comments this doesn't appear to be the case?

[Ivo]

BUMP!

I have been doing some reading on adding 2 stroke oil. Found a Discussion on a forum from South Africa. Big discussion with lots to read if you have the time. Post 143 has lots of good info.

2 stroke oil in diesel? - Page 8 - SA 4x4 Community Forum

[CardinalSin]

Have you ever read the results using a mineral FC grade 2 stroke oil at 1:200?
It will certainly be cheaper and is probably superior to all the additives mentioned.
Do your own research and then give it a go.

[Idle]

Not if your car has a DPF.

[CardinalSin]

I can understand you thinking that but it actually benefits the DPF. The lower emissions mean the regen cycles take twice as long to be reached, which also extends the life of the DPF.

[CardinalSin]

I have been using it for almost all of the 15,000km my Yeti has clocked up and the tailpipes are unbelievably clean. They look spotless but when you wipe your finger in there you get a bit of soot and wonder where it came from because you can't see it.
I've never noticed a regen and still wonder what the symptoms are?
It's the quietest diesel i've ever heard and all you really notice on the road is a bit of induction noise accelerating hard, otherwise you can't hear the engine.

[Transporter]

I have been using it for almost all of the 15,000km my Yeti has clocked up and the tailpipes are unbelievably clean. They look spotless but when you wipe your finger in there you get a bit of soot and wonder where it came from because you can't see it.
I've never noticed a regen and still wonder what the symptoms are?
It's the quietest diesel i've ever heard and all you really notice on the road is a bit of induction noise accelerating hard, otherwise you can't hear the engine.

Your 15,000km travelled is not enough of the proof, at least not for me.
Yours at 15,000km still clean tail pipes indicate that, YES the car's Diesel Particle Filter trap does it's job trapping the unburned oil and extra soot particles. But for how long?

I certainly wouldn't want to buy your TDI as a secondhand vehicle to find out.

[CardinalSin]

Your 15,000km travelled is not enough of the proof, at least not for me.
Yours at 15,000km still clean tail pipes indicate that, YES the car's Diesel Particle Filter trap does it's job trapping the unburned oil and extra soot particles. But for how long?

I certainly wouldn't want to buy your TDI as a secondhand vehicle to find out.

Owners of vehicles that have yearly emission checks report that the emissions are reduced by 50% and more by adding 2SO.
This is not the first vehicle I have done this with and there is a massive amount of info from others documenting their experiences. I have yet to see any negative reports, only positive.
So from my perspective and theirs, such vehicles carry a premium secondhand.

It's one of those things where the theory divides opinion but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I just thought I would mention it for anyone interested to research and see what they think if they give it a go.

[kaanage]

Owners of vehicles that have yearly emission checks report that the emissions are reduced by 50% and more by adding 2SO.
This is not the first vehicle I have done this with and there is a massive amount of info from others documenting their experiences. I have yet to see any negative reports, only positive.
So from my perspective and theirs, such vehicles carry a premium secondhand.

It's one of those things where the theory divides opinion but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I just thought I would mention it for anyone interested to research and see what they think if they give it a go.

A bunch of us do this but there's a lot of "official" discouragement of it. The thread where it was discussed quite intensively has sunk down the listing as time has passed but thanks for bringing it up again.

http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/f28/adding-2-stroke-oil-fuel-interesting-reading-55494.html

[Ryeman]

EVERYONE has something to gain when they advise you on a course of action......they tend to directly profit from it.
Telling a service tech about YOUR additive will almost certainly be ' noted ' as potentially ' used ' in the event of an engine related problem.
I have no idea who to believe when it comes to the statement "......do not approve the use of ANY additive......".
Cynically I tend to think THEY want to profit from THEIR additive.
Everyone wants to profit from advise.

[CardinalSin]

A bunch of us do this but there's a lot of "official" discouragement of it. The thread where it was discussed quite intensively has sunk down the listing as time has passed but thanks for bringing it up again.
http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...ing-55494.html

Thanks for the link. I'll enjoy reading that.
Good to see a moderator, right at the start, who's willing to give it a go.

[CardinalSin]

EVERYONE has something to gain when they advise you on a course of action......they tend to directly profit from it.
Telling a service tech about YOUR additive will almost certainly be ' noted ' as potentially ' used ' in the event of an engine related problem.
I have no idea who to believe when it comes to the statement "......do not approve the use of ANY additive......".
Cynically I tend to think THEY want to profit from THEIR additive.
Everyone wants to profit from advise.

I have often complained about up to 3 different Wynns additives being used during a service and charged for when I didn't ask for them and they weren't on the service schedule. Who knows what the contents of those were and what they did? The dealer certainly didn't, they simply did it for profit happy to pass the buck to Wynns if they were proven to cause any damage.

That's what is so good about forums like this. The members aren't selling anything, they are simply here on a social basis and enjoy sharing experiences.

I agree, the dealer is likely to note the comment and not for reasons to benefit the vehicle owner. To even mention such a course discourages open conversation.

[Ryeman]

The 250 is in such a low dose 1/8000 it's difficult to see much chance of damage. OR benefit.
Imagine the profit margin at $76/L....how much gold is there in it?


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[CardinalSin]

1:8000??? It's 1:200 for diesels and 1:500 for petrol.