Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 - Tempe Tyres Sydney - 225/40/18 - $250

[larsie]

Just wanted to mention that yesterday Jax Quickfit supplied and fitted 4 x Goodyear F2 Asymmetric 2 for $239 per corner. But size was 235/40 R18.

[Martin]

That's certainly a good price

Tempe tyres are doing the Michellin PS3 for ~$240 each - they would be my choice

[brad]

Martin
PS3 != PSS
You'll find the PSS are a step above. Even the PS2 are a better performance tyre than the PS3.
PSS

PS2

PS3


The differences are quite subtle but one of the main ones (IIRC) is that the PSS comes with slightly less tread depth.

You might also consider:
cheap & cheerful Kumho KU36


Nitto NT05


Yokohama Advan AD08


All of these will take you up a notch in terms of traction

[Dutch77]

Beat me to the punch, I was just about to post that I'd finally gotten around to reading the tyre test and was pleased to see it featured the 225/40 x 18s this year.. oops was still on page 1 reading this.

Given how well the Pirelli P-Zeros performed this time around, has anyone played with them?

[Martin]

Whoops - I was not paying attention and assumed the post was about PS3 rather than PSS

I want to try a pair of PSS (can't find them locally)
I need more grip off the line (stage2 ECU), that's my only complaint
The PS3 are much better than the EagleF1 off the line
But when hot the EagleF1 does turn in really good when driving hard

The Yokohama Advan AD08 should be good but their 225/40/18 is only rated 88W
They do a 225/45/18 91Y however...hmmm, small speedo error

Has anybody used the Nitto NT05??? (I was worried they would not perform)

[brad]

One of the guys at GolfMkV uses them. He makes big power. Was banned from here. Can't remember his nick.

[nat225]

Last time I looked at the Michelin Australia Catalogue, the PSS in 225/40/18 was not listed. Only the PS3 is available in Australia for that specific size and load rating.

Whoops - I was not paying attention and assumed the post was about PS3 rather than PSS

I want to try a pair of PSS (can't find them locally)
I need more grip off the line (stage2 ECU), that's my only complaint
The PS3 are much better than the EagleF1 off the line
But when hot the EagleF1 does turn in really good when driving hard

The Yokohama Advan AD08 should be good but their 225/40/18 is only rated 88W
They do a 225/45/18 91Y however...hmmm, small speedo error

Has anybody used the Nitto NT05??? (I was worried they would not perform)

[Martin]

Last time I looked at the Michelin Australia Catalogue, the PSS in 225/40/18 was not listed.
Only the PS3 is available in Australia for that specific size and load rating.

Agreed, it's frustrating

I've been doing some research on the Nitto NT05, looks like they could be a good performer
They certainly won't last as long as a Michelin PS3 but like I said, I want to be able to put the power down
(I really enjoyed the day I had the semi slicks on the car - no wheel spin and soft ride)
I'm thinking of buying two and selling the EagleF1's

[Perun]

Nitto NT05 are in a class of their own. Fantastic performer.

Even the Invo (which I'll be getting next month) is supposed to be a great tyre.

[Martin]

You'll find the PSS are a step above.
Even the PS2 are a better performance tyre than the PS3.

I've finally obtained a pair of Michelin PSS ($Ouch)

Also going to grab a pair of NT05's to try

I was aware the PS2 is much better - It's as hard to obtain as the PSS
(I would also expect PS2 to only last ~25k)

[brad]

PSS>PS2>PS3

PSS would be about AUD340each from Tirerack. (buying 4)

PS2 about AUD370 each from TR

How does that compare with what you paid?

[sunny]

why PS2 is better than the newer PS3???

[brad]

why PS2 is better than the newer PS3???

The PS3 wasn't a direct replacement for the PS2. It was supposed to be a replacement for the Pilot Preceda 2 & Pilot Exalto 2.

The PS3 is better in the wet than PS2 but that isn't what Martin is after. PS3 should also last a bit longer than PS2 - again, Martin doesn't seem overly concerned as he appears to be hell bent on collecting a pair of every UHP tyre available

A few of my mates on another forum have tried both & they reckon that in the dry, the PS2 has the edge on dry traction & turn-in.

So, it depends on what you want out of a tyre & Martin is chasing dry traction from a standing start. For most users PS3 is a great all-rounder.

[Martin]

Thanks Brad - as usual you are totally on the money

The PS2 has a tyre wear number of 220 - which is pretty low - it's clearly a sticky tyre
It was original fitment on cars like BMW Alpina Z8, McLaren SLR and Porsche GT2/GT3 models
Not the sort of machinery most of us are driving

The PS3 has a tyre wear number of 320 - which is still pretty grippy
Based on my wear rate I'm looking at getting 35,000~38,000 km out of them
They do grip well wet and dry, turn in feel and response is very nice
It's a great all round tyre - no question about that
Not a noisy tyre either

My problem is having updated my ECU and downpipe,
my FWD car has ~205kw at the front - it was not designed for this - wheelspin galore
I can't get off the line quickly and I'm fixated on this problem

[brad]

What pressures are you running up front Martin?

re: tread wear rating.
You can use the TWR number to compare tread wear between tyres within a manufacturers range but it's hit & miss when you start comparing (for instance) a Bridgestone against a Michelin.

The RE050A Bridgestones I have sitting in the garage have a TWR of 140. I know they wear (slightly) better than the numbers suggest.

The Michelin Primacy HP touring tyres I have at the moment have done 58,000km & will go to 65,000km. TWR is 240. I would have expected them to last about the same as the 46,000km I got from the TWR 280 CSC2 that came with the car but Michelin appear to have added concrete into the rubber mix.