2016 Volkswagen Navigation Map DVD V9 Australia for RNS 510 Maps VW OEM Pre Order

[arcadelt]

Anyway what would the previous version of the map be worth if the new one is only $50.

Hillbilly, where can you get the new maps for $50?

Hardly worth advertising it and the postage would cost more than its worth which is basically nothing.

That is a value judgement. Have you looked on eBay and Gumtree anytime in the last 10 years? Things sell for low prices all the time. It's not always about the price, but also putting items into the hands of those who want to reuse them.

Anyone who can afford the car must be pretty hard up to buy the previous version of the Navigation map.

Again, that is a value judgement. I know some people who have never upgraded their maps because of the almost-criminal prices that the dealers charge for the current maps.

[AdamD]

All I'm saying is if you purchase an upgrade, rather than a full version, you need to keep the original disks. In your example of the Office products you need to keep the disks you need to be able to reinstall the product.

Assuming the license does explicitly state that the disc is an upgrade only, and that the EULA is an addendum to the original rather than a replacement, you've still got the license over the original map content that was installed on the device at the factory. RNS-510s aren't sold without maps or a license for same, which is why I'd be surprised if this is an upgrade license at all. Irrespective of whether you had v8 on the device before you upgraded to 9, or v5 - as long as you had a valid licensed copy of any version on the device, you should be absolutely fine to sell your v8 (or whatever) disc - as long as you still have your license over the original maps distributed with the device originally.

[Guest001]

Hillbilly, where can you get the new maps for $50?
That is a value judgement. Have you looked on eBay and Gumtree anytime in the last 10 years? Things sell for low prices all the time. It's not always about the price, but also putting items into the hands of those who want to reuse them.
Again, that is a value judgement. I know some people who have never upgraded their maps because of the almost-criminal prices that the dealers charge for the current maps.

Last one I bought was $55 and yes I have been a member of Ebay since 1999 in two countries.

The postage frequently is more than the cost of the article here in Aus whereas you can buy something from China for 99c and get it in a week
My value judgement is that an old version map is like buying last weeks newspaper Things have moved on since the publication of both.
But there are those that think differently I guess, obviously.

Incidentally the map SD for two models of Mazda3 are $245 for the cheap vers entertainment unit and over $1000 for the flash one. I know I had to buy one when I stuffed one up in a friends car.

A Landcruiser map is about $400 nowadays I believe so maybe VW arent so bad after all.

[arcadelt]

All I'm saying is if you purchase an upgrade, rather than a full version, you need to keep the original disks. In your example of the Office products you need to keep the disks you need to be able to reinstall the product.

Great, we agree on something then.

If you wish to abide by the licence agreement, check the EULA to see how many devices the software can be installed on.

As I said earlier: "I can find nothing that looks like a licence agreement, except a note on the back of the package that parallel use is authorised for one system only".

If it is only one to comply with the EULA you must uninstall it from the original device before you can on sell it. (This also means the EULA must allow you to sell the content). Even if you do not need it for the upgrade (ie V6 will upgrade to V8 without the need for V7) you should remove it from your device before you sell it if the EULA only allows one installation.

You are writing in generalities, which I guess is OK, but it does not consider the specific circumstances of this device and situation. You do not uninstall one version of the maps in order to install the next.

I find music has a similar dilemma. I have music on LP, cassette, and CD (some titles in all 3 formats). I think I should be allowed to download an MP3 of the music free of charge (and if you buy some titles through Amazon you can) because I've already paid for it at least once, and I can only listen to one format at the time. The big end of town disagrees, although some artists have said they don't mind.

Actually, I don't think you should get free access to download digital music just because you have it on LP, cassette, and/or CD, but I do think you should be able to convert (format shift) your physical media to a digital format so you can listen to it on any of your devices (space shift), provided that it's for personal domestic use and you keep the original media. What is clear is that you have every right to sell the LP, cassette, and CD if you buy a digital version of the same music or if you no longer listen to that music.

The bottom line is I agree with you, what you want to do should be allowable. But I think you'll find the agreement you entered into (implicitly because you didn't sign anything but implied agreement by continuing with the install) doesn't share that opinion. Software pirates and the litigation driven society we live in has made a lot of vendors take the heavy stance.

Again, as I said earlier: "I can find nothing that looks like a licence agreement, except a note on the back of the package that parallel use is authorised for one system only".

I know, I'm being pedantic, but that's why I said at the start I don't want to take the high ground. Nor do I want to judge...

You made a judgement when you said "what you are doing is morally and ethically wrong"; and prefixing your opinion with "Without taking the high ground" is actually not a modifier - it's akin to saying to someone "with all due respect" and then saying something disrespectful. That said, as you are a software developer, I understand that you are close to the problem of illegal use and copying of software, so I get your position. However, taking consideration of the comments made in this thread and having done my own research, I am now very comfortable that I can sell my previous version of the maps once I have installed the new version. Thanks for your input.

[arcadelt]

...so maybe VW arent so bad after all.

Except when compared to aftermarket devices and maps that are (almost) free on most smart phones.

[Guest001]

Except when compared to aftermarket devices and maps that are (almost) free on most smart phones.

Well if they are so much better use one and dont growl about the price of manufacturers prices.

Ive got a Tomtom in the Polo and would never consider an upgrade to a 510 as the Tomtom maps are always more up to date.

Only got a VW Nav in the Passat cos it was in it when my wife bought it for my birthday. LOL

[arcadelt]

Well if they are so much better use one and dont growl about the price of manufacturers prices.

Yes, quite right. But like you and your Passat, I am locked into the proprietary solution. If I had understood the ongoing cost and availability of maps when I chose to upgrade I probably would have gone the CarPlay route that I was also considering at the time.

[The_Hawk]

It's amazing how cheap 3rd party stand alone units are vs built in ones. I think some of the manufacturer prices are set so high for two reasons:

1. Individually they have pretty low unit sales therefore have much higher licencing costs vs TomTom who will be outselling them by an order or two or magnitude.

2. They can.


Given how (relatively) cheap mobile data is and how good something like Google/Apple Maps is AND it's free to use... we *feel* like a few hundred $$ is expensive. Consider the cost of a a printed UBD map for each state is what you're getting in digital form it's probably not all bad... but yes you're paying for stuff you'll likely never use.

These days my usage is pretty split. Getting home is almost always using the built in system when I can simply press "take me home" and away it goes. Heading out somewhere is mostly using my phone since it's usually easier and quicker to enter my destination into Google Maps (or talk to the phone!). But sometimes I do use the built in units.
(We have an RNS in the Golf and a Pioneer AVIC in the Multivan)


If I had my time over today I'd probably lean towards something with CarPlay (or whatever the Android equivalent is called) over a dedicated unit, but ultimately would probably buy still buy something with it's own nav/maps onboard because I feel that a built in unit tends to integrate with the speed sensors and compass etc to keep working based on other inputs when you lose a GPS signal (like in a tunnel or in a city). It's also handy to have completely offline maps for those times you're out of mobile data range (yes I know there are stand alone apps but I've never bought/installed one and who knows if they work with CarPlay if you care about those things).

Bottom line, yes built in systems tend to be worse/less featured than stand alone devices or mobile apps and yes mapping data tends to be far more expensive for built in systems.. But then you have lots of choice! Even if you never upgrade or use the built in system maps, the pretty screen still looks pretty




On a side note, I understand that the built in double din market is pretty small and niche these days, but I'm still a little surprised that TomTom or NavMan haven't made their own 1st party unit (or even a co branded unit with Pioneer/Sony/Alpine etc etc). For some reason they all seem to end up creating their own software which tends to suck and/or miss key features the other little portable units seems to excel at.

[Guest001]

Mazda have Tomtom on their units but I suspect its tweaked for the units

[Euro Car Upgrades]

Any news on the TMC disc anyone?

[kamold]

Any news on the TMC disc anyone?

It's a unicorn...

[Euro Car Upgrades]

Surely someone has it
With the TMC on it and IT Developer who now works with us, we can probably make it happen as a download or SD card or DVD...

[kamold]

If we had it I would have been able to work something out already but alas I think the only person who may have had access to it was a developer for Continental. It was a dev release only so closely guarded. If only VWA cared enough about its customers to enable useful features that have been available in other markets for the last decade

[ian]

The V9. Map is just so out of date already. Driving to Qld. I was still driving through. Paddocks. Should of taken my Tomtom.

[Guest001]

The V9. Map is just so out of date already. Driving to Qld. I was still driving through. Paddocks. Should of taken my Tomtom.

We mentioned that earlier in the thread... You should HAVE taken your Tomtom.