Finished boot install

[Soundofav6]

HEy glidn, you have a pic of your work ?? LOVE to see.

JUst a general question. When people make pods, I see some have a 4" next to the 6.5". What is the reason for that ?? Do they usually run the 4" with the same crossover ??

[glidn]

HEy glidn, you have a pic of your work ?? LOVE to see.

JUst a general question. When people make pods, I see some have a 4" next to the 6.5". What is the reason for that ?? Do they usually run the 4" with the same crossover ??

Hey Man

yeah i'll take pics of waht i got to give you an idea, then you can go further with it.

As for 6.5 and 4 in the same pod. It really depends sometimes there are in the same box some times they are not. As for crossover, yeah generally they all run from same crossover. Otherwise they use active crossovers then manually set the frequency ranges for each individual speaker.

it really depends on how you want your system to sound i guess.
Some people run dual 6.5/7" in the front or even an 8" and 5"/3" and tweeter.

I guess it really dependant on how crazy you are willing to go. To get the sound you are happy with.

[ScienceVR6]

A mate of mine, Jon Suvatskis, is 6 times god of auto salon. One of his clinants cars, he ran a pair of HiFi 10" drivers in each door, with a 6" doing mids. he had ambiant tweeters in the kick panels, and full tweeters in thedash. All of it was run active. 1 amp channel per speaker! Fugging loud, and sounded increadible. But the door trims where completly custom, and made getting in and out of the car rather difficult, and the 10"s slighly intruded on the drivers seat!

Thats what happens when you go too far.

This post serves on purpouse but to show what happens when you go too far.

[Soundofav6]

thanks for the reply guys.

Over the weekend I places my speakers on the kick panel, I discovered sound I never knew I had. When I have time I think I will DIY a kick panel for the 6.5" woofer and custom mount the 4" on an angle at the passenger, hopefully snap speaker grill back on for an OEM look, most probably relocating my tweeters on the A pillar.

SCience: whats a ambiant tweeter/ full tweeter ??

glidn: whats a active cross over ?? PLease shoe me the photos too.

So you guys reckon I can use the same cross over for my 4 inch ?

[Mr ©harisma]

Not getting into it to much but you will have 3 problems when staging your fronts. Height, width and depth. Now mounting the tweeters high in the sails or A pillar solves the problem of height but lacks width and depth ( channel separation ). Mounting the tweeter properly high in the kicks will solve width and depth but not height. So ideally what you want is a combo of both.

To best acheive this you would mount your main tweeters in the kicks and provide them with a lot of power. This will give you depth and width. Then the use of Ambient tweeters ( feed them minimal power ) will give you added height. This is basic and if you are genuinely interested I can give you more info on why and how this is?

Active xover means that each speaker has its own xover and channel of power from an amp. This gives you more precise tuning of xover Hz and roll off plus power to help blend in all the components of the front stage. To have a 3 way front stage running active you will need to either have very good xovers in your amp or consult jaycar into helping you select the correct inline cap and accessories to make your own xovers.

[Soundofav6]

HOLY MOLY !! the more I get into this the more I don't know... But the more fun it gets but more charlleging it becomes to satisfy my OEM theme.

From what you said Mr ©harisma..
* I should have the the kick panel component amped with comfortable highest gain.
* Tweeter on A pillar should not be so bright, perhaps run off head unit front channel. ( That is bascially getting another set of component)

So now.. where should I use the 4" .. I don't want to throw it away ... on the dash just doesn;t sound so nice after all. Should I mount it on the kick as well ?? would that be too FULL ON, I only want nice sound not bling bling auto saloon.

[Mr ©harisma]

I should have the the kick panel component amped with comfortable highest gain.
Tweeter on A pillar should not be so bright, perhaps run off head unit front channel. ( That is bascially getting another set of component)

If you are going to run a ambient tweeter then yeah. You will still need to run the ambient tweeter off an amp because the headunit ( well most ) wont give you as much, if any, control over the sound.

Its common sense, if you mount your tweeters on the sail or A pillar 1 tweeter is going to be a lot closer to you than the other. This will send your channel separation to the shyt. It will also lack depth dude to upper Hz being so directional. Usually if you are only running say a 2 way component set, I recommend that you mount the tweeter high in the kick. Staging is a bit low however I have my stock tweeter grills still there and most people think the stock tweeters are still working. Give it enough power and it gets nice and loud.

So now.. where should I use the 4" .. I don't want to throw it away ... on the dash just doesn;t sound so nice after all. Should I mount it on the kick as well ?? would that be too FULL ON, I only want nice sound not bling bling auto saloon

Best 4 way set I have heard was:
Morel 9inch in the door
Morel 4inch in the lower kick ( it was still in sight if you where sitting in the seat )
Morel Supremo tweeter mounted mid kick panel
Morel 1inch ambient tweeter in the A pillar

The 9 inches where run off a 2 channel amp, the mids and supremo where run off there own channel of a 4 channel amp and the ambient had its own 2 channel amp. The guy also made custom xovers with 24db / oct roll off to maximise the potiential of all his speakers. Now you don't have to get that hard core but yeah, its quite hard to get it perfect with adding more speakers....

[glidn]

As mr charisma state, regarding channel seperation is true,

In the MK3 espcially it's bad if you do that. As for Kickpods and all that if you can do it then do. If not then maybe you can try this.





But instead of where i mounted the tweeter move it on the angle bit just above the mid. I never took photo's of my install. But i do have some pics of the Doorpods i have started with.

[glidn]

Pictures as requested

[glidn]

showing the doorpod and speaker space.




As you can see the pics of the second photo. You can build the Pod out to that point for 2 reasons.
First it will give you around 3-5 litres of space for the mids. Or if you want to do dual mids or 3 way.
Second reason, that you still get to use a door pocket in the car.

The size of this pods applies to the 3dr and 5dr golf.

Hopefully Mr Charisma can sort of see the little bit of space there surely's not behind the mid.

Hope this clears up the confusion.

[Mr ©harisma]

Yeah I can see it, door pod or don't expect to much mid bass.

[Soundofav6]

THanks for the PICs Glidn

But I am bit confused to what a door pod is, so this freshly made fibre glass .........




IS A DOOR POD??? So bascially you molded another door ??
OR this fibre glass is connected to the metal frame and door card is snapped back ontop ????
I think I really need to see the finished product to understand this.

On another note, today I cut an MDF ring for the 6.5" as a kick panel, I realise it is WAY too BIG, the "ideal" position for the kick is getting in the way in the the pedal.
So similarly to a kick position and most feasible/ economical way is to make a spacer to have the door speaker tilted, ie protruding out, aiming at passenger. DO you guys think this would work.. ??
I also played with the 4" at the kick position too, it sounded wrong at different axis to the 6.5" at the door.

So perhaps, mounting the 4" and 6.5" on same axial protruding on an angle at the door ????

[glidn]

the pic you have there is merely the rear side of the doorpod. As the mk3 door is kind of a crappy design, the 2nd photo i showed that would be your standard door pocket. But think of that built out to the black line.

Then you can angle your speakers and build it to that. Then merely screw the whole pod to the door skin. Then once door skin is back on the door. Take 2 to 3 screws and screw them all the way throught the pod into the actual door. That way you get the proper bracing. Or you could put a wooden spacer behind the door skin, then merely bolt the doorpod / doorskin to the spacer. That way you still get structural rigidity.

if this make more sense, thats great. If not. I dont really have any intention really of finishing the door pod as i dont own a MK3 anymore.

But who know's i may finish them if i'm going to be playing around with one of our eurosport friends mk3's.

[Soundofav6]

lol ... my imagination is not so bright tonight I am a bit lost.

I was actually looking forward to see the finished product and be inspired.

Anyhow so you reckon if I angle the speaker on the door slightly would work? CAn you think of any flaws ? as in stability of some sort ??

[Soundofav6]

Glidn: I was looking at another forum and found this.

http://www.audiogroupforum.com/csforum/showthread.php?t=67033

were you in the process/ on the lines of making something like this ??