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  • Wax vs Polish - The Difference

    I’ve been requested to write a how to guide for people that want to look after their car but with premium based products.

    Before I start ill just say the products and process I use will not work for everyone in the world. You really need to use this as a guide and find what works best for you. In saying that I’m not going to get to technical so you will be able to work out what is what very easily. Some of the products mentioned will be off the shelf variants. All the products I’m mentioning I have had personal experience with. All products are available from site sponsor Car Care Products.

    Washing

    Washing the car is the most regular thing we do in terms of maintaince. There is a lot of info floating around regarding what to use what not to use etc. There are 3 main principals that if followed will see you washing correctly every time. They are
    1. 2 Buckets
    2. PH Neutral Wash
    3. Microfiber

    Why 2 Buckets?
    When you wash the car the dirt from the car gets transferred to your mitt. When you dunk it back into the wash solution that dirt stays in the solution for next time. Effectively what you’re doing is washing your car with dirty water.
    When you use 2 buckets one is full of wash solution and the other rinse water.
    Once you have hosed down the car (preferably with a HP washer) you get your clean mitt and dip it into the wash solution. Using very light pressure wipe the dirty panel using straight lines, not circular motions.
    Once you have done say a guard or half the bonnet, dip the mitt into the rinse water and run your fingers through the fibres to help get the dirt out. Squeeze the water out of the mitt.
    Return the mitt to the wash solution and do the next panel. As always do this in the shade, don’t let the shampoo dry etc.
    It’s always to go from top down. Personally I do the wheels and tyres last but it’s up to you. I give them a HP rinse before I start and I finish them off by hand. I don’t use wheel cleaners unless they are very very bad and the one I use you can’t buy, however ill still give you some good ones to try.

    Product Recommendations
    Dodo Born to Be Mild


    Duragloss Cherry wash Concentrate


    Aquatouch Microfiber Wash Mitt


    Mint Microfiber Wash Mitt


    Drying

    Once the car is all washed, it’s time to dry. To dry there is no better tool than a Microfiber Waffle Weave Drying Towel (WWDT). I use the extra largo towel, which is able to try a whole Land cruiser or Discovery without being wrung out. You could most likely get away with a large if you wished but IMO the XL is the way to go.

    To dry using a WWDT is very simple. I fold it into quarters to start. I then dry the windows to help prime the towel. This isn’t necessary when new but after a while (like a year) it will help them dry.
    When drying the paint again use no pressure and slowly drag the towel across the paintwork. If there are trace amounts of water left flip the towel and give it another light pass over.
    Once that section of the towel gets saturated turn it inside out and go again.

    Product recommendations
    Mint WWDT


    Waxing or Sealing and Polishing

    Waxing is a crucial step in the care if your vehicle. It protects the surface from the everyday nasties like Bird bombs, tree sap, water deposits etc.
    It’s also very important to note that waxing and polishing are 2 very different things!! I have outlined this in a different thread but I’m about to copy it into here so scroll down if you have read it.
    The biggest misconception I come across in detailing is people that don’t understand the difference between waxing and polishing. I can see how they get confused, it’s the car care product manufactures fault mostly. Anyway here you go.

    Polishing

    Polishing is used to fix paint defects. Polishes can be either chemical or abrasive. Chemical polishers include things like Swissvax cleaner fluid, polylack nano clean, zymol HD Cleanse. They chemically clean the surface to remove contaminants and defects. They will not remove swirl marks. For this you need an abrasive polish.
    Abrasive polish there are many brands. The best I have used is Menzerna. But the Meguiar’s professional range is abrasive as is the optimum polishing range. Abrasive polishes need a machine to reach their full potential. Either a random orbital or a rotary. Abrasive polishes have tiny little abrasives suspended in the liquid. This is what does the work the size and type of abrasive varies depending on the polish you use. The abrasives round the edges of the scratches and swirls so they can no longer be seen. In the case of swirls and fine scratches they are removed. In the case of deep scratches they are always reduced and with the use of wet/dry sand paper can be removed. Menzerna Powergloss has large abrasives which remove large defects but leave the surface full of marring and quite dull. Then there is Menzerna intensive polish this is between the two but on most colours needs to be followed with final finish. This depends on the pad used. Menzerna Final Finish leaves the surface free from defects and with a great depth and shine. Here are some pics so you can see the difference

    After powergloss


    After Intensive polish


    After final finish



    Waxing

    Waxing is the last step you do when washing or detailing your car. That is why you may see it referred to as the LSP (last step product). The purpose of waxing is to create a barrier between your paint and the environment. Most waxes contain UV inhibitors to stop the sun damaging the paint. They also repel water which stops your paint getting etchings from watermarks. There are many may different LSP's out there both natural or synthetic or even a mixture of both. Natural waxes tend to give more of a warmth and a glow. These waxes range in price starting at around $50 and up to $19000. Brands include Swissvax, Zymol, P21S, Dodo and many many more. These are the boutique brand waxes. You can get off the shelf waxes but I don’t rate them for durability or look personally. If they are working for you then go for it! Natural waxes also tend to bead water. This means the water forms tight little beads that run off very easily. If you have a freshly waxed car and drive it in the rain you will find the water will just run off. The lower end waxes and off the shelf waxes last 3-5 weeks before needing to be reapplied whereas the higher end can last 6-8 weeks.

    Synthetic

    Synthetic products do not contain wax. They, for the most part contain polymers or acrylic. These are the two main types of sealers. Sealers include Duragloss 105, Zaino Z2 and Z5, Polylack Nano seal, Optimum opti seal, Klasse AIO, Zaino AIO. Sealants start at around $35 for the boutique brands. I have found Zaino to be the best as it can be layered unlimited times but still remains optically perfect if you use Z2. Z5 will not as it has fillers to hide swirling. Sealants give a different look to wax. It gives a look that is best described as sterile. The paint is shiny but it lacks the warmness and glow of a natural wax. Some sealants like the Klasse make the car look like it has a plastic coating. Some people love this look so leave it others, like myself, don't and then top it with a natural wax. Synthetics tend to sheet water. The water wont form beads, rather it will just run off in a sheet is the best way to describe it. Sealants leave a very slick and slippery surface. Sealants also last a lot longer than a wax with most giving at least 3 months protection and up to 12 months for layered sealants.
    Combination waxes
    These have a mix of both natural and synthetic waxes present. These are waxes like Optimum car wax (OCW). They are a good compromise as they give the look of a natural wax and some of the durability of a sealant. Layered OWC can last 3-4 months.
    Filler waxes
    These are waxes like Meguiar’s NXT range. They contain things called fillers which fill swirls and scratches. The fillers also mute the metallic in the paint so it won’t pop as much. As the product wears off the defects return. I don’t like filler products as they wear off and the surface looks bad again.

    This car has natural wax (Swissol Scuderia ~$200)

    This one has Zaino Z2 Pro layered 3 times and topped with Z8

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    Product Recommendations

    Polishing
    Menzerna Polish kit


    Heavy Duty - Menzerna Powergloss (High Cut, very low gloss)


    Medium duty – Menzerna P203S (medium to high cut, medium gloss. Follow with PO85RD)


    Light duty/High gloss – Menzerna 106FF (same gloss as 85RD but more cut, use on its own)


    High Gloss/ Very light duty – Menzerna PO85RD (same gloss as 106FF but very little cut, use after P203S)


    Wax
    Dodo Supernatural Paste Wax


    Dodo Colour Charged Soft wax

    (note: the above link if for Orange crush. Look at the other soft wax's to pick the best one for your paint type)

    Dodo Colour Charged Hard Wax


    Dodo Lime Prime


    Dodo Lime Prime Lite

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    • #3
      Sealant
      Duragloss 105


      Duragloss 111


      Zaino Z2


      Zaino Z5
      http://www.carcareproducts.com.au/pr...how_car_polish


      Spray Hybrids
      Optimum Car Wax


      Duragloss Aquawax.


      Not as long lasting as OCW but it’s applied while the car is wet, is the perfect boost to a car sealed in Duragloss 105. It adds a very nice shine and some extra protection and only takes an extra 3 or 4 mins.

      Dan

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      • #4
        wow nice write up there dan very informative
        i never thought washing cars can be so technical
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        http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...ies-76972.html

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mk3pete View Post
          wow nice write up there dan very informative
          i never thought washing cars can be so technical
          Haha, Pete you think this is bad?

          CarCareProducts have released some amazing how-to video's that I think perfectly outline good methods of car detailing. I'm sticky-ing this thread because both Dan's post and the CarCareProducts video's I'm about to link are absolutely invaluable.
          Mrk Detailing, premium automotive detailing. Paint correction/protection specialist. PM me

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          • #6
            brilliant post, helps a lot. a great reference
            My build thread here: 1.6 sr into 1.8T http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/foru...-8t-63249.html

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            • #7
              Do you rate the brand turtle wax at all?
              Thanks
              "I just want to make it that little bit better, and little bit more unique."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GTI2708 View Post
                Do you rate the brand turtle wax at all?
                Thanks
                No from my experience there is much better products available for the same or less money. Have a look at the Duragloss range if you want something cheap easy and very well performing.

                Dan

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                • #9
                  One of the best threads on the forum right here.

                  APR Tuned | KW Suspension | INA Engineering | Mocal Oil Control |
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                  Email: chris@tprengineering.com

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DMS_Dan View Post
                    No from my experience there is much better products available for the same or less money. Have a look at the Duragloss range if you want something cheap easy and very well performing.

                    Dan
                    Thanks for that mate...I would love to go for the more expensive products but i'm saving for some new rims and an ecu...so yeh. ahah
                    Could you tell me some other brands that are good in this price range aswell?
                    thanks again
                    very good thread btw,
                    Last edited by GTI2708; 30-12-2009, 10:20 PM.
                    "I just want to make it that little bit better, and little bit more unique."

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                    • #11
                      Quick question - do you apply the lime prime in between the polish and wax? Or before the polish? Also, can you just use the lime prime in place of a polish, particularly if the paint is in reasonably good shape?
                      NickZ
                      Former ride: MY07 Black Polo GTI
                      Current: MY09 Blue Passat R36 Wagon

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                      • #12
                        nick my thoughts are if the swirls arent bad etc use it instead of the polish
                        Originally posted by seangti
                        The price of the car rarely indicates driver ability/lap time.

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                        • #13
                          I've just come across this thread and it is very comprehensive guide, congrats Dan.

                          I swear by the OCW that Dan refers to above, you can do a car in 15 minutes after washing it for brilliant results that lasts for weeks. It's a great product for people who don't have the time or energy to get top results every time you wash your car.
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                          • #14
                            Thank You

                            Great advice offered here...thank you.

                            I've been cleaning for years using the 'one-bucket' system - obvious really that two buckets are the way to go.

                            Will now research a little more deeply into the art of polishing -I have a MY09 Passat with light swirl marks and a few very fine scratches (in black).

                            I'd like to do this myself as I would enjoy it - my only concern is causing damage - wouldn't be happy Jan! Perhaps I should do work experience with a reputable detailer first!!

                            I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to cleaning but it does feel great when you've transformed a vehicle from 'tired' to 'showroom' (or somewhere in between).

                            Quick question - prior to polishing - what's the best (difference) between the clay bar system and the Lime Prime products??

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ccbloke View Post
                              Great advice offered here...thank you.

                              I've been cleaning for years using the 'one-bucket' system - obvious really that two buckets are the way to go.

                              Will now research a little more deeply into the art of polishing -I have a MY09 Passat with light swirl marks and a few very fine scratches (in black).

                              I'd like to do this myself as I would enjoy it - my only concern is causing damage - wouldn't be happy Jan! Perhaps I should do work experience with a reputable detailer first!!

                              I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to cleaning but it does feel great when you've transformed a vehicle from 'tired' to 'showroom' (or somewhere in between).

                              Quick question - prior to polishing - what's the best (difference) between the clay bar system and the Lime Prime products??
                              Lime prime brings up gloss and is actually a polish/cleanser, while a claybar's only function is to strip contaminants off your paint surface. All sedans with flat boots and flat rain trays at the back of the car will have contaminants there that the claybar will need to pick up first, so that when you polish the lime prime on it doesn't cause any more swirls in the paintwork.

                              I'd actually suggest you clay your car and then lime prime it (with a machine if you can, and a soft foam pad) because it sounds like lime prime will clean up your swirls.
                              Mrk Detailing, premium automotive detailing. Paint correction/protection specialist. PM me

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