Help me diagnose this check engine light error.

[drc13]

Hi Guys,

I've just had a engine light come up on my dash and upon scanning the code with Torque for android I'm told the error is.

P2015: Intake Manf Runner Position Sensor/Switch Circuit Range/Performance bank1

The car is revving differently when I first start it and it's definitely rougher at idle and low speeds.

It has 80,000km on it and I only had it serviced a few weeks back. Unfortunately I am no longer covered by warranty so was hoping to get some advice on what I may be looking at before taking it further.

Cheers.

[Umai Naa!!]

Sounds like it'll need a new intake manifold.

You should be able to get it replaced under goodwill.

[drc13]

Sounds like it'll need a new intake manifold.

You should be able to get it replaced under goodwill.

Wow that doesn't sound good. Sure hope it's under goodwill or I suspect it's going to be pricey? Presume in this case I'm best off taking it directly to a Skoda dealer rather than the mechanic who has been doing the servicing?

I know it's not optimal but am I running a substantial risk by continuing to drive the car while I arrange to have it looked at?

[Umai Naa!!]

Yeah, book it in with your local Skoda dealer, and go from there.

[brad]

Wow that doesn't sound good. Sure hope it's under goodwill or I suspect it's going to be pricey? Presume in this case I'm best off taking it directly to a Skoda dealer rather than the mechanic who has been doing the servicing?

I know it's not optimal but am I running a substantial risk by continuing to drive the car while I arrange to have it looked at?

It sounds like the intake runner flaps have stopped working. It could be that the motor isn't lubricated properly.

Try for goodwill. They'll want to charge you an hours labour to diagnose. There is at least one Tech Service Bulletin on these & possibly a software update.

If they won't do goodwill a few people have managed to take the cover off the motor on the RHS and lubricate it so that it works for a bit longer. You can also buy just the motor & it takes a couple of hours to change.

It's also possible to tie the flaps open with a cable tie while you wait to get into the dealer.

If you have to pay for it yourself then you'll find sourcing from overseas will be much cheaper but if you google "P2015" or "tsi manifold flap" you'll find it a known issue (so you can back-up your claim for goodwill).

In the USA they have extended the warranty on this item (and fuel injectors) out to 120,000 miles but Australia doesn't seem to follow their lead on warranty items.

What age / km is the vehicle?

[drc13]

Yeah, book it in with your local Skoda dealer, and go from there.

Thanks mate.

It sounds like the intake runner flaps have stopped working. It could be that the motor isn't lubricated properly.

Try for goodwill. They'll want to charge you an hours labour to diagnose. There is at least one Tech Service Bulletin on these & possibly a software update.

If they won't do goodwill a few people have managed to take the cover off the motor on the RHS and lubricate it so that it works for a bit longer. You can also buy just the motor & it takes a couple of hours to change.

It's also possible to tie the flaps open with a cable tie while you wait to get into the dealer.

If you have to pay for it yourself then you'll find sourcing from overseas will be much cheaper but if you google "P2015" or "tsi manifold flap" you'll find it a known issue (so you can back-up your claim for goodwill).

In the USA they have extended the warranty on this item (and fuel injectors) out to 120,000 miles but Australia doesn't seem to follow their lead on warranty items.

What age / km is the vehicle?

Thanks for the detailed reply Brad.

Car is a 2010 built MY11 with just over 80,000km on it. I have had a bluefin stage 1 on it for just under 6 months but have reverted it to stock when the light came on.

I've booked it in to have it looked at on Wednesday at Peter Warren Skoda (who must be fairly new?) I really need to car back by Thursday as I have a snow trip planned so hopefully I won't be damaging it any further doing this long drive.

Thanks for the tips I might need to delve into them more with you after Wednesday. Hopefully costs don't blow out. It's been a lovely car to drive but I have to say fear of repair/dsg issues have always nagged away in the back of my mind.

[brad]

While they have the manifold off you should pay them to remove the carbon from the intake valves & also pull the injectors & chemically clean all the rubbish off them.

If the flaps are closed (default setting I believe) then you'll be slightly down on power & use a bit more fuel.

If you get the flaps cable-tied open then the idle will be a bit rough - especially when engine is cold.

Either way, no damage will be done under normal driving.

Re: maintenace costs.
My wife has a Craptiva V6 company drive. Its just as expensive to run as my Octavia. It's supposed to get 15,000km between services but never gets beyond 10,000km when the "Oil Filter Blocked" light comes on. It just had a High Pressure Fuel Pump replaced under warranty & the bill to Holden was just under $1k.

[drc13]

While they have the manifold off you should pay them to remove the carbon from the intake valves & also pull the injectors & chemically clean all the rubbish off them.

If the flaps are closed (default setting I believe) then you'll be slightly down on power & use a bit more fuel.

If you get the flaps cable-tied open then the idle will be a bit rough - especially when engine is cold.

Either way, no damage will be done under normal driving.

Re: maintenace costs.
My wife has a Craptiva V6 company drive. Its just as expensive to run as my Octavia. It's supposed to get 15,000km between services but never gets beyond 10,000km when the "Oil Filter Blocked" light comes on. It just had a High Pressure Fuel Pump replaced under warranty & the bill to Holden was just under $1k.

Thanks again Brad. I'll let you know how it goes on Wednesday. If they don't come to the party I'll hit you up for advice on importing and having someone do the replacement for me.

I don't seem to be down much on power (though hard to tell as I've reverted the tune to stock) but I'm definitely rougher at idle (worried it would stall in traffic today) and it splutters a bit when I start it up from cold, going by your description they may even be stuck open?

Relieved to hear that I'll be able to take it to the snow and back without further damage.

Cheers

[Mysticality]

I'm also experiencing the intake manifold flap issue, will need new manifold. Am going to try for warranty, but after gearbox is done.
Octy vRS TDI - 185,000km

Apparently issue related to both TDI/TSI

[zei20t]

why don't you get the manifold fixed while its having the transmission done. why go back and have the car off the road for longer? youll only have to wait for them to order the parts and receive it.

[woofy]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I can barely spare the time to have any of my cars off the road.

[Mysticality]

why don't you get the manifold fixed while its having the transmission done. why go back and have the car off the road for longer? youll only have to wait for them to order the parts and receive it.

Because the tech wants to flash it back to stock to do the diagnosis (who knows why) and that means I need a 4wd+trailer/tow truck to get it tuned again. No DPF in the pipe work = CEL = cuts boost

[woofy]

Oh didn't realised you had the DPF cut out. That's quite a big no no, surprised you found someone dodgy enough to do it. How does it pass the NSW rego inspections each year?

[brad]

Oh didn't realised you had the DPF cut out. That's quite a big no no, surprised you found someone dodgy enough to do it. How does it pass the NSW rego inspections each year?

They probably don't look.

My rego inspection this year consisted of a guy in a hurry checking half my lights (he only stood at the back). He did a reprint of somebody elses brake test. Didn't lift the bonnet, didn't drive the car.

He did try & knock back my tyres for edge wear. I told him they weren't illegal yet. He said they would be soon. I said he's checking the car for today, not 3 months down the track and that I'd change them when needed. He passed the car. I checked the edges when I got home & they had 3.5mm tread left. Minimum is 1.5mm. What a joke. (and I think he might have charged me more than the schedule fee as well).

It doesn't worry me because I'm anal about looking after the car / my safety but this was in Cambelltown and there are plenty of really crap cars around here that are driven by people that don't care / can't afford to care.

Next year I'll go back to the place I had it done in 2013 - they put the car on the hoist & had a good look around.

[drc13]

OK guys need some advice ASAP if possible.

Just had it looked at by Peter Warren Skoda at Warwick Farm and they have quoted me $1172 to fix the intake manifold fault (apparently the $170ish inspection fee comes off this if I go ahead). When I asked about good will warranty I was quickly cut down as it is "way" out of warranty.

What are my options here?

Is this something I could get repaired significantly cheaper by getting the work done away from the dealership?

Have to get back to them with an answer within a couple of hours so any advice is appreciated.

Cheers

P.S During my reading I read something about the ECU may be flashed during the repair process. Am I going to need to obtain a new stage 1 tune off bluefin before I reflash it or is that irrelevant?