Volkswagen to abandon DSG for future light cars

[Barracuda]

Yeah I've got a Golf - I meant the flaw of the 'cheaper' dry-clutch DSG

Both the Golf and Polo use the same DQ200 unit designed by Borg Warner and manufactured by IAV? There isn't such thing as a 'cheaper' version of the box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite certain that is the case.

[Ryan_R]

4th time lucky...

I meant the DQ200 is the 'cheaper' version of the DSG (compared to the 'more expensive' (to produce and for customers to service) wet clutch models).

[gavs]

NEWS: Volkswagen to drop the DSG in light vehicles...

Volkswagen - Future light Volkswagens may drop DSG | GoAuto

Next gen Polo GTI, Manual only...?

[Barracuda]

4th time lucky...

I meant the DQ200 is the 'cheaper' version of the DSG (compared to the 'more expensive' (to produce and for customers to service) wet clutch models).

Ohhh! I see what you mean now! Haha, my bad. It was late and my brain had already gone to sleep.

You're lucky and have a DQ250 6-Speed Wet Clutch. It's a shame that the DQ200 is used in all the 77TSI Polo's & Golf's, 90TSI, 132kW Polo GTI, newer Golf 118TSI's, etc...

[Ryan_R]

No mine is the DQ200 as well. Absolutely horrid in start/stop traffic, especially on warm/hot days. Bad enough to make me drive the long way home (adds 30mins) to avoid the start/stop.

[Barracuda]

No mine is the DQ200 as well. Absolutely horrid in start/stop traffic, especially on warm/hot days. Bad enough to make me drive the long way home (adds 30mins) to avoid the start/stop.

Right! Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you had one of the early 118TSI's with the DQ250's. In that case, we both have the same gearbox with the same horrid start/stop traffic roughness.

We're getting there!

[AdamD]

I thought you had one of the early 118TSI's with the DQ250's.

The 118TSI was always fitted with the DQ200. In the Golf Mk6, only the 103TDI, GTI, GTD and R were ever fitted with the DQ250.

[nomadx38]

Hmm. Interesting read Gavs!

I hope they don't drop the DSG. I love the box, IMO I think it sh*ts all over the tourqe converter gearbox in every way: efficiency, shift times, take off - except the lag that the 7sp have and most of all FEEL...BUT they need to fix the problems. When my DSG is working correctly (very rare these days) it's quick direct and really makes good use of the engine. When it's not though it's a dog.

Personally I would say drop the 7sp dry clutch and replace it with the 6sp wet clutch. I will say the 7sp is uncomfortable in bumper to bumper traffic becuase of how harsh the dry clutches engage. The wet clutch golf diesel on the other hand was a gem!

[PassatB6]

Oh no not an Aisin auto!! Had one in my Passat and it was the only thing that spoiled the car. Prefer DSG any day.

[kaanage]

Next gen Polo GTI, Manual only...?

Or slushbox!!

BTW Here's another thread on his http://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/...ars-90544.html

[Barracuda]

The 118TSI was always fitted with the DQ200. In the Golf Mk6, only the 103TDI, GTI, GTD and R were ever fitted with the DQ250.

Oops! I stand corrected. My bad.

[alexaescht]

Imagine the problems they could have with a 10-speed DSG!

[AndrewBurns]

I've had my DQ200 Polo GTI for a few months so far and it's always seemed pretty smooth and good even in heavy traffic. I am concious about how it works though and if I know I'll be in slow crawling traffic I shift into manual so I can hold it in 1st and 2nd much longer to avoid excessive clutch slip.

[nway91]

If you need to floor the DSG in order to have it running smooth, then the transmission is not performing the task being asked of it. I've learnt to manage my DSG a lot better over the past few months, though having said that, I really wish it weren't so jittery at low speed. Unfortunately a majority of suburban driving is going to be done at low speed - heading to the gym, driving around to the shops, crawling into work - and if a transmission isn't going to perform well in those conditions, it shouldn't be considered for vehicles that will spend a majority of their life being applied for shorter trips.

[Rawcpoppa]

Bad experiences leave a sour taste in the mouth but certainly statistics should show if the DQ200 really is as bad as some say it is. Other than that it's pretty much your word versus another person's word as to if the DQ200 is really up to standard.