Faster than a Veyron

[Pumpe-Düse]

The fact that alot of F1's have been converted from race cars back to road cars(for example, GTR chassis number 06R ex Herrods car) proves that these cars wern't just made to "look" like track going road cars.

As you have shown in this and your other arguments before, when you dig your holes, you don't dig upwards like you should, instead you go to some obscure source to try and prove your point and convince yourself.

If it helps you sleep, good for you, but like your arguments about the Ford XR4 and XR6T, you don't have me or many other convinced. Maybe because of Shelby's relation to Ford has you siding with them again.
I suggest you go and buy a toy of the SSC to go along with your XR4 and XR6T, and play them off against each other.

The SSC Ultimate Aero, Shelby Sports Cars, has no relation to Carroll Shelby who made the Shelby Mustangs and Cobras in the 60s nor the Ford Motor Copmany. The engine in it is actually based on a Chevrolet design. They started off building Lamborghini Diablo kit cars in the 1990's before producing their own vehicle.

Don't have many others convinced? You're the only one posting, I don't see any others?

I don't use obscure sources at all. How is a website dedicated to compiling data on sports cars and their track times, from real sources, in the case of McLaren F1 vs Ferrari F40 on Tsukuba its from Best Motoring (surely you've heard of that mob?), obscure?

Lots of racecars can be converted to road cars, what's your point? Look up the Porsche-Dauer 962 LeMans, one of the fastest supercars ever, made from converted 962 chassis' into road cars. Made into a road car from a car never intended to be one. Same deal with the Schuppan 962CR. Two quick examples. The original 75 McLaren F1 production cars sold were not, never have been and never will be intended as a track car. Murray wanted them to be the ultimate road cars and said so himself on many an occasion. Just because you think its a track car because there's a racing 'version,' of it means nothing. It made many performance sacrifices to be a civil street car. Its closest rival at the time, the F40, was the polar opposite. Nothing was getting in the way of its on-track prowess. That's why with 200hp less power, far slower acceleration, it can easily monster a McLaren F1 production car on-track.

Believe what you will, I am giving you facts. Your resorting to childish behaviour (read - last paragraph) just brings you down.

[RhysQ]

no-ones posting because...

A) they can't be bothered reading short stories for posts on crap you'll forget when you blink, and

B) they just don't care!

[Blitzen]

Believe what you will, I am giving you facts. Your resorting to childish behaviour (read - last paragraph) just brings you down.

I believe I am a child, I believe some of the facts you have provide(far from all though), and I am down with the funky sh*t....

[Pumpe-Düse]

I believe I am a child, I believe some of the facts you have provide(far from all though), and I am down with the funky sh*t....

lol.

[Oneofthegreats]

This thread is a joke I reckon sorry & has gone so far off topic, I'm lost.

Maybe you should actually look harder & find out about some of the thing's you've posed & re-read them carefully!

They don't make these race car's into road car's or road car's into race car's.

They're all purpose built to be one or the other.

That's why they make both race version's & road going version's , cause the manufacturer's have to meet homologation requirement's to race & have to build a certain amount of road going version's to meet the standard to be allowed to race.

Have anyone of you actually seen a road going say Porsche GT1 or a Leman's addition GT1 up close?

I can safely say I have when I worked at the motorshow's & they're not even in the same league!

How did this thread fall so far off topic?

I still reckon this statement stand's.

I suggest you go and buy a toy of the SSC to go along with your XR4 and XR6T, and play them off against each other.

[Oneofthegreats]

It made many performance sacrifices to be a civil street car. Its closest rival at the time, the F40, was the polar opposite. Nothing was getting in the way of its on-track prowess. That's why with 200hp less power, far slower acceleration, it can easily monster a McLaren F1 production car on-track.

This is funny.

Performance sacrifice's! hahahaha.

Cause 600+bhp in the world's best supercar/street car using all the lastest & greatest material's & part's is a sacrifice! hahahahahahaah

Maybe you have also forgoten that the F1 done all this remarkable stuff & set numerous record's without the use of forced induction too!


Little known, fact. The F1 had more boot space than a mk1 golf! how's that!


The F1 stood out by itself! It didn't have a closest rival at all & not even the current (at the time of production) supercar's of Bugatti's EB110 or the Jaguar XJ220 came close.

Even as far as I can remember the F40 was already 5 year's old before the F1 was even born & then Ferrari stopped production when the F1 just started!

The F40 was pitted up against the Porsche 959 from my memory.


Anyway, back on topic I reckon here's some info about the SSC Aero breaking the speed record.

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/ssc_record.asp

Not bad for a car that weigh's 784kg's less & makes 182hp more than a veyron I reckon! hahaha.

All of that to beat it by 3.11mph! Whacko! haha Jeez I find this stuff funny.


Some more reading info for you all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Ultimate_Aero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koenigsegg_CCR

Then onto the old school, yet still stupidily fast car's of yester year!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_F1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F40

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XJ220

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_EB110

[Pumpe-Düse]

This is funny.

Performance sacrifice's! hahahaha.

Cause 600+bhp in the world's best supercar/street car using all the lastest & greatest material's & part's is a sacrifice! hahahahahahaah

Maybe you have also forgoten that the F1 done all this remarkable stuff & set numerous record's without the use of forced induction too!


Little known, fact. The F1 had more boot space than a mk1 golf! how's that!


The F1 stood out by itself! It didn't have a closest rival at all & not even the current (at the time of production) supercar's of Bugatti's EB110 or the Jaguar XJ220 came close.

Even as far as I can remember the F40 was already 5 year's old before the F1 was even born & then Ferrari stopped production when the F1 just started!

The F40 was pitted up against the Porsche 959 from my memory.


Anyway, back on topic I reckon here's some info about the SSC Aero breaking the speed record.

There's a sacrifice for being a streetable car you've just mentioned yourself, a boot. Why does a proper track car need a boot? It doesn't. The McLaren F1 made sacrifices of on-track performance in order to be a good street car. Gordon Murray himself acknowledges that - and he's more qualified then anybody posting in this thread to say so.

However, the F1 has gathered such an internet fanboy following so immense that anybody even remotley thinking of saying anything ill of it must be a liar or who knows what else.

By the way, there was a car, that at the time was a road going production car (but never had the McLaren's sales numbers or notoriety), that would toast a McLaren F1. In fact, it would make a Veyron and SSC Aero look like they're accelerating slowly and almost any other road car ever made look like it can't turn. Look it up. 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans.

Anyway, back on topic I reckon here's some info about the SSC Aero breaking the speed record.

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/articles/ssc_record.asp

Not bad for a car that weigh's 784kg's less & makes 182hp more than a veyron I reckon! hahaha.

All of that to beat it by 3.11mph! Whacko! haha Jeez I find this stuff funny.

By the way, power/weight is largely irrelevant when it comes to top speed, power v aerodynamic drag v gearing is what matters.

[Preen59]

By the way, power/weight is largely irrelevant when it comes to top speed, power v aerodynamic drag v gearing is what matters.

Record claims

The title of "world's fastest production road car" is constantly in contention, especially because the term "production car" is not well-defined.

The McLaren F1 has a top speed of 231 mph (372 km/h),[25] restricted by the rev limiter at 7500 rpm. The true top speed of the Mclaren F1 was reached in April of 1998 by the five-year-old XP5 prototype. Andy Wallace (racer) piloted it down the 9 km straight at Volkswagen’s Ehra test track in Wolfsburg, Germany, setting a new world record of 243 mph (391 km/h) at 7800 rpm. As Mario Andretti noted in a comparison test, the F1 is fully capable of pulling a seventh gear, thus with a higher gear ratio or a seventh gear the Mclaren F1 would probably be able to reach an even greater top speed (something which can also be observed by noticing that the top speed was reached at 7800 rpm while the peak power is reached at 7400 RPM).

A What?

[DaveMack]

Sometimes ... I don't know why I bother posting info for you guys ... you turn everything into an argument. And before you start with the childish "No we don't!"

Thread closed.

Dave