Faster than a Veyron

[DaveMack]

SSC (sounds like some sort of 'Supersonic Car', doesn't it?) ... the latest from the Shelby Supercars stable ... 270 mph (437 kph).

http://www.rsportscars.com/ssc/2009-ssc-ultimate-aero/

Dave

[Whubbsie]

haha I so expected to open this thread to see a picture of a polo GTI

[The_Hawk]

haha I so expected to open this thread to see a picture of a polo GTI

it is running a Polo engine and suspension isn't it??

[RhysQ]

it is running a Polo engine and suspension isn't it??

you think you know.... it's clearly packing some CA18DET heat!

p.s. Polo's aren't just faster than Veyron's, they do reverse donuts around them at top speed!

[DaveMack]

You should have noted, Whubbsie ... I stayed right out of that whole "Polo GTI faster than a speeding bullet" thing ... and as for the CA18DET ... that's some sort of Toyota, init?

Dave

[Blitzen]

It may be faster than the Veyron, but atleast the Veyron can corner...The SSC looks like it would corner on its roof!!!
I still love the Maclaren F1 over both of them. Until I see the Veyron or SSC win Le Mans and the World Sportscar Championship, then I'll remain biased.

[Treza360]

It may be faster than the Veyron, but atleast the Veyron can corner...The SSC looks like it would corner on its roof!!!
I still love the Maclaren F1 over both of them. Until I see the Veyron or SSC win Le Mans and the World Sportscar Championship, then I'll remain biased.

Ferrari F50 and F40 for the wins! I think I'm the only person out there who actually thinks the F50 looks awesome.
Altough the McLaren F1 and it's gold plated engine bay, modem diagnostics and $40k odd service costs is pretty awesome.
Although bugger all of these cars, I'll have a 1962 Ferrari 250GTO any day please.
Cheers,
Trent

[Golf Houso]

This SSC is a one trick pony, nice top speed and thats about the end of it. At least a Veyron is devastatingly fast and anyone can drive it, the F1 is a beautiful car and a track monster, the same can be said about the F40.

[Spyda]

I find all these claims and comparisons with the Veyron stupid.

The Veyron was built to be able to be driven every single day, in comfort and still be the fastest car in the world. The Veyron weighs 2000kg and has 980+bhp and manages to go faster than a 1200bhp SSC, people dont seem to know that it has been limited to 407kph, in early testing it hit 443 and started coming off the ground. 407kph all day (or 12min, petrol) with full leather, air con, DSG and whatever els they secretly give you. Its not to hard to make the top speed huge with a long final drive. The konigssiiggseg has a huge 6th gear.

IMO all other cars dont even come close, if you look at all the cars that can go that fast they have a bunch more power and are close to being race cars as well as their top speed being a claim.....that and its not a VAG.

[Pumpe-Düse]

This SSC is a one trick pony, nice top speed and thats about the end of it. At least a Veyron is devastatingly fast and anyone can drive it, the F1 is a beautiful car and a track monster, the same can be said about the F40.

The F1 isn't really a track monster. In fact, as far as supercars go, most modern ones will own it. So will an F40.

The Veyron is just as one-trick as the SSC and don't let anyone allow you to believe otherwise. They're both straight line warriors that can't really do anything else.

[Blitzen]

1) The F1 isn't really a track monster. In fact, as far as supercars go, most modern ones will own it. So will an F40.

2)The Veyron is just as one-trick as the SSC and don't let anyone allow you to believe otherwise. They're both straight line warriors that can't really do anything else.

1)Thats right......Thats why both of theses won Sports car endurances(F40: 4 Hours of Vallelunga, 4 Hours of Anderstorp), and the F1 winning Le Mans in 1995, as well as comming 3rd, 4th, 5th and 13th outright, and in 1996, finished 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 11th.
The F1 also also won the 1996 JGTC, 1st and 3rd in the 1996 FIA GT Championship, as well as a number of victories and places in various championships between 1995 and 2000, so clearly, a track monster, the F1 isn't... And it did all of this without turbo's!!!
2)Until you or I has driven a Veyron or SSC, we can both hardly comment, BUT, with the SCC having the typical American approach to fast cars(HUUUUGE engine, but why use the steering wheel as nothing more than a suggestion).
The Veyron has been proven that it can actually do more than drive fast in a straight line, and deploy its airbrake when it needs to. Having lapped the Nurburgring in 7min 40sec, it has proven that it is a quick beast. I doubt the SSC would know what to do when it got to a corner other than swap end from end until it found the nearest armco.
Like I said earlier, I am very biased toward the F1, but as an over all package, I think the Veyron has it over the SSC, and to paraphrase Pump Duse..."don't let anyone allow you to believe otherwise..."

[Pumpe-Düse]

1)Thats right......Thats why both of theses won Sports car endurances(F40: 4 Hours of Vallelunga, 4 Hours of Anderstorp), and the F1 winning Le Mans in 1995, as well as comming 3rd, 4th, 5th and 13th outright, and in 1996, finished 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 11th.
The F1 also also won the 1996 JGTC, 1st and 3rd in the 1996 FIA GT Championship, as well as a number of victories and places in various championships between 1995 and 2000, so clearly, a track monster, the F1 isn't... And it did all of this without turbo's!!!
2)Until you or I has driven a Veyron or SSC, we can both hardly comment, BUT, with the SCC having the typical American approach to fast cars(HUUUUGE engine, but why use the steering wheel as nothing more than a suggestion).
The Veyron has been proven that it can actually do more than drive fast in a straight line, and deploy its airbrake when it needs to. Having lapped the Nurburgring in 7min 40sec, it has proven that it is a quick beast. I doubt the SSC would know what to do when it got to a corner other than swap end from end until it found the nearest armco.
Like I said earlier, I am very biased toward the F1, but as an over all package, I think the Veyron has it over the SSC, and to paraphrase Pump Duse..."don't let anyone allow you to believe otherwise..."

Professional competition race cars have no relevance to road cars at all, so your first paragraph is null and void.

7:40 around the 'ring for a car that has 736kW 1250Nm, can pull a high 9 1/4 and 2.3 sec 0-100km/h is pretty crap. Considering that a much slower 911 Turbo can beat it (7:38.), or a Viper SRT-10 ACR (a stripped Viper with some suspension revisions) can do 7:22.1. 1950kg and big size = fail at turns. Physics.

[Blitzen]

Professional competition race cars have no relevance to road cars at all, so your first paragraph is null and void.

7:40 around the 'ring for a car that has 736kW 1250Nm, can pull a high 9 1/4 and 2.3 sec 0-100km/h is pretty crap. Considering that a much slower 911 Turbo can beat it (7:38.), or a Viper SRT-10 ACR (a stripped Viper with some suspension revisions) can do 7:22.1. 1950kg and big size = fail at turns. Physics.

The first paragraph was a retort to you saying that the F40 and F1 were not track cars, and I proved they were, so you saying that they have no relevance to road cars just proves that your first statement was wrong in the first place.

This is true about it not being as fast as it could be, but even the Viper wasn't stock(Racing seat, stripped, and revised suspention are not stock). Until we see the SSC on the "Ring", you previous comment is null and void also.

Maybe should see how an XR4 and XR6 Turbo go against the SSC...

[Pumpe-Düse]

The first paragraph was a retort to you saying that the F40 and F1 were not track cars, and I proved they were, so you saying that they have no relevance to road cars just proves that your first statement was wrong in the first place.

This is true about it not being as fast as it could be, but even the Viper wasn't stock(Racing seat, stripped, and revised suspention are not stock). Until we see the SSC on the "Ring", you previous comment is null and void also.

Maybe should see how an XR4 and XR6 Turbo go against the SSC...

Racing seat, stripped and revised suspension are stock. Its an SRT-10 ACR. The ACR Viper is like a GT3 RS Porsche.

The fact that there are racecars based on the F40 and F1 means nothing. There are racecars based on Falcons and Commodores, what's your point? You proved nothing except that some racecars that look like McLaren F1's beat other racecars that look like Ferrari F40's. The road cars are a completley different kettle of fish.

Also, I only said the McLaren F1 wasn't a track car, and it wasn't. Gordon Murray didn't want it to be. He wanted it to be the ultimate road car. It was to be a daily driver. It makes too many sacrifices to be a true track car in the name of streetability and civility. The barebones F40 on the other hand, doesn't. Even with the major power and acceleration deficit, the F40 was still capable of keeping ahead of the McLaren F1 on most tracks (road car vs road cars, racecars that have nothing in common with them are of no relevance).

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[Blitzen]

The fact that there are racecars based on the F40 and F1 means nothing. There are racecars based on Falcons and Commodores, what's your point? You proved nothing except that some racecars that look like McLaren F1's beat other racecars that look like Ferrari F40's. The road cars are a completley different kettle of fish.

Also, I only said the McLaren F1 wasn't a track car, and it wasn't. Gordon Murray didn't want it to be. He wanted it to be the ultimate road car. It was to be a daily driver. It makes too many sacrifices to be a true track car in the name of streetability and civility. The barebones F40 on the other hand, doesn't. Even with the major power and acceleration deficit, the F40 was still capable of keeping ahead of the McLaren F1 on most tracks (road car vs road cars, racecars that have nothing in common with them are of no relevance).

The fact that alot of F1's have been converted from race cars back to road cars(for example, GTR chassis number 06R ex Herrods car) proves that these cars wern't just made to "look" like track going road cars.

As you have shown in this and your other arguments before, when you dig your holes, you don't dig upwards like you should, instead you go to some obscure source to try and prove your point and convince yourself.

If it helps you sleep, good for you, but like your arguments about the Ford XR4 and XR6T, you don't have me or many other convinced. Maybe because of Shelby's relation to Ford has you siding with them again.
I suggest you go and buy a toy of the SSC to go along with your XR4 and XR6T, and play them off against each other.