DSG woes in The Age

[Transporter]

Nah mate, from a legal perspective they are clearly not "demonstrable problems" & all the people like your are relatively (to something) few!

I agree.

[cmrtig]

I did, I contacted all relevant government agencies all the while, attempting to liaise with VGA only to be completely ignored.

Why would a federal government department step in? They don't care at this stage, as far as they know, they're going to certainly have a new boss in a few months at the goal posts will probably shift when the new minister takes over. As far as they're concerned, unless it gets bad enough they won't do anything because they might not have a job in a few months...

Another point to you all going on about OzVWCrap.

You seem to all forget that there are two sides here. You all mention about the unobjective comments and personal attacks. I have just re-read through this entire thread and I have to point the finger at you lot making remarks like "petulant child", "grandpa has to go to bed" etc. It is as a collective group that the personal attacks started and as such, he was forced into rebuttal.

A lot of you need to take a step back and have a think about the situation because its all well and good to say "I would have just pressed the left pedal" or "I would have calm and calculated and looked in my mirrors, pressed the hazard lights switch, applied the left pedal and slowly applied the handbrake while steering into the emergency lane..." Crap.

I was in the car on Saturday on the eastern at 10am, heading down to the beach to enjoy the day fishing. My girlfriend was driving her 207 and it experienced a similar scenario. Luckily for her it has somewhat happened before. The throttle became unresponsive and the brakes became aggressively bitey. A light feather made the car lurch with brake dive. The gearbox dropped its gear with an almighty bang and she pulled over. From the loss of drive to the point of hitting the hazards was about 5 seconds, we came to a stop in about 8-9 seconds. She knew exactly what was going on and exactly what to do.

And all of you get on you soapboxes and puff out your chests saying that you could have done all that in 3 seconds because you "know what to do" and that Ms Ryan didn't?

I know that I'm not alone when I say that I find some of the posts in this thread comical, especially when they follow a personal attack on someone that the same posters are saying should stop with the personal attacks....

My 2c. Happy long weekend

Well the verdict is in re safety issues. read here: VW deceleration not safety issue for regulator | smh.com.au

No matter what anyone thinks personally about what happened, this is a lesson for the so called enthusiast (including moderators) not to prejudge outcomes of certain events before the relevant government authority makes a conclusion. I disagree that this outcome is because of an election coming! Please don't suggest that OzVWCrap had a point. He did not and whatever happened to your VW please do not extrapolate that to all VWs and VW owners. However, we all hope that all the problems are fixed by VWA ASAP!

[muli]

I am told certain letters are going out "from the head of VW Australia", but as to what they say, and more importantly admit to, we shall see.

Probly just cease and desist letters to the media

[gavs]

Hey that guy with the Polo TSI (top video). I'm pretty certain he has a problem with his engine - or engine related as contained within the engine control module. Not his DSG...(I'm in no way saying the DSG is faultless becuase mine has its fair share of retardation to annoy me)

But just saying the engine light doesn't come on for gearbox ONLY issues (as far as I know, happy to be corrected though) only the gear position and service light wrench flash - which means the engine control unit is effecting gearbox operation.

By the looks of it, it is not recognising that he is depressing the brake so the brake pedal which could be trippng up the gearbox not allowing to shift into a gear (this has been a confirmed problem) or one of the sensors in the engine that are required to make the gearbox shift with the engine timing is playing up.

You have to remeber these gearboxes run off of over hundreds of position sensors. If one plays up its either the engine or gearbox that will go nuts.

Also when I start my car it goes from 0 right up to 1100rpm and then down to idle. With his you can see it hover at 50rpm until it starts then go up to 900rpm. Could be different software displaying the revs but I think it could be using a different engine speed sensor.

When it goes kaput ala the first video and what happened to me, the check engine light also comes on.

[ill0gitech]

This just in: Volkswagen to recall 25,000 cars in Australia
TROUBLED German carmaker Volkswagen has issued a recall on more than 25,000 cars sold in Australia.
The vehicles affected were built between June 2008 and September 2011 and include the Golf hatchback, the Jetta sedan, the Polo hatchback, the Passat sedan and wagon and the Caddy van.
The automatic DSG gearbox will be inspected and if needed repaired on that batch of vehicles.
The recall follows two weeks of unprecedented pressure from customers demanding their cars be fixed for wide-ranging mechanical faults.
Complaints included engines that conked out, high oil use, and gearbox issues.
In addition to the official recall, Volkswagen Australia will also call 4000 diesel cars back to dealerships for inspection.
News Limited understands that Volkswagen is still yet to issue an official recall following customer claims of sudden vehicle decceleration.
The company says any one experiencing that fault or any others to contact their local Volkswagen dealer.
Volkswagen Australia has set up a dedicated customer service line to answer customer queries - 1800 504 076.
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Outcry on safety forces VW recall
Almost 26,000 Volkswagen vehicles will be recalled in Australia after the German car company finally responded to growing safety concerns.
Volkswagen Australia confirmed on Tuesday night it would conduct a recall across its Golf, Jetta, Polo, Passat and Caddy models made between June 2008 and September 2011. The recall will affect 25,928 vehicles within this range.
The move will mirror other recalls in Japan, Singapore and China, where concerns have been raised about a number of issues related to Volkswagen's direct-shift gearbox (DSG). The recall will target a particular version of DSG, the seven-speed DQ200.
Volkswagen Australia said it would contact the customers involved, and inspect and replace the mechatronics unit in the DSG for no charge to the motorist.
It is not yet clear whether the recall will address all issues related to the DSG, which is the automatic transmission in late-model Volkswagens. One symptom of a faulty DSG was a sudden deceleration while driving. Some motorists have also reported shuddering in the vehicles....
[Truncated by poster]
...The department, which recommends safety recalls to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, also did not act on the diesel injector problem, despite its British counterpart, the Vehicle and Operator Service Agency, pushing Volkswagen to contact customers and repay motorists for thousands of dollars spent repairing faulty injectors.
Volkswagen knew about the injectors as early as the British investigation in 2011, yet only recently released a ''silent'' campaign in Australia to fix the problem.
When one of the injectors fail, the whole car shuts down - often while driving - including the power steering. The so-called ''service campaign'' fixed the problem only when a customer took their car in for service - and paid for the fix.

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So some differences between the
That leaves some of us with cars outside of the date range potentially out of luck
Nothing on the VW site of the official Government Recalls Website

[gavs]

Well the verdict is in re safety issues. read here: VW deceleration not safety issue for regulator | smh.com.au

No matter what anyone thinks personally about what happened, this is a lesson for the so called enthusiast (including moderators) not to prejudge outcomes of certain events before the relevant government authority makes a conclusion. I disagree that this outcome is because of an election coming! Please don't suggest that OzVWCrap had a point. He did not and whatever happened to your VW please do not extrapolate that to all VWs and VW owners. However, we all hope that all the problems are fixed by VWA ASAP!

I recommend the wait and see approach at this stage my friend. All I will say is this: pink batts, nation building schools scheme, smart meters, $23 per tonne carbon tax, 'let the boats come! Oh wait, Don't let the boats come!', surplus in 12 months...oh wait I mean 3 years, 457 visas that apparently protect local jobs...

He had a point, it's just posts like "Here here! Finally some sense and I hope grandpa is well asleep by now, otherwise it would have been a long night for the poor fellow!" That drove him to the point that it got too.

Oh, how about we read the above post too, because there is supposedly nothing wrong with the dsgs...

[spikeyboy22]

This just in: Volkswagen to recall 25,000 cars in Australia

TROUBLED German carmaker Volkswagen has issued a recall on more than 25,000 cars sold in Australia.
The vehicles affected were built between June 2008 and September 2011 and include the Golf hatchback, the Jetta sedan, the Polo hatchback, the Passat sedan and wagon and the Caddy van.
The automatic DSG gearbox will be inspected and if needed repaired on that batch of vehicles.
The recall follows two weeks of unprecedented pressure from customers demanding their cars be fixed for wide-ranging mechanical faults.
Complaints included engines that conked out, high oil use, and gearbox issues.
In addition to the official recall, Volkswagen Australia will also call 4000 diesel cars back to dealerships for inspection.
News Limited understands that Volkswagen is still yet to issue an official recall following customer claims of sudden vehicle decceleration.
The company says any one experiencing that fault or any others to contact their local Volkswagen dealer.
Volkswagen Australia has set up a dedicated customer service line to answer customer queries - 1800 504 076.
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That leaves some of us out of luck
Nothing on official Government Website

Well what the hell, I have a 2012 polo gti and it is a piece of ****. What changed with them since 2011, I am glad I am one of the lucky ones who could sell and start again but not everybody is so lucky ....

Recall them volkswagen ...

[Rawcpoppa]

DSG woes in The Age

Any of you guys applicable for a recall please take note of part numbers for mechatronic units. I find it strange VW goes from "no issues" to the same recall just like that. Would be interesting to see what the differences between a mechatronic circa 2012 are vs one from the recall...


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[wai]

This just in: Volkswagen to recall 25,000 cars in Australia

TROUBLED German carmaker Volkswagen has issued a recall on more than 25,000 cars sold in Australia.
The vehicles affected were built between June 2008 and September 2011 and include the Golf hatchback, the Jetta sedan, the Polo hatchback, the Passat sedan and wagon and the Caddy van.
The automatic DSG gearbox will be inspected and if needed repaired on that batch of vehicles.

Well looks like I will be getting a letter from VW now. Mine is a Feb 11 1.6 L Caddy Maxi Life with 7 speed DSG.

[cmrtig]

I recommend the wait and see approach at this stage my friend. All I will say is this: pink batts, nation building schools scheme, smart meters, $23 per tonne carbon tax, 'let the boats come! Oh wait, Don't let the boats come!', surplus in 12 months...oh wait I mean 3 years, 457 visas that apparently protect local jobs...

He had a point, it's just posts like "Here here! Finally some sense and I hope grandpa is well asleep by now, otherwise it would have been a long night for the poor fellow!" That drove him to the point that it got too.

Oh, how about we read the above post too, because there is supposedly nothing wrong with the dsgs...

Gavs you now sound like the first Fairfax article which tried to link the accident with just about every problem with a VW even those which were not relevant like the DSG. That is what OzVWCrap was trying to continue. The two issues are separate and lets keep it that way. I can see you agree, but just can't admit it yet. I am glad there is a recall for DGS problems, but again it is a separate issue and one that has nothing whatsoever to do with Ms Ryan's tragic death and according to the Department of Transport and Infrastructure there is no safety issue for those VW owners who complained about similar issues (sudden deceleration for whatever reason)! I agree that we need to wait and see and thus we also need to stop prejudging outcomes and confusing the issues in a way that does even more damage to existing owners as is. Would you not agree?

[omega31]

DSG woes in The Age

This just in: Volkswagen to recall 25,000 cars in Australia

TROUBLED German carmaker Volkswagen has issued a recall on more than 25,000 cars sold in Australia.
The vehicles affected were built between June 2008 and September 2011 and include the Golf hatchback, the Jetta sedan, the Polo hatchback, the Passat sedan and wagon and the Caddy van.
The automatic DSG gearbox will be inspected and if needed repaired on that batch of vehicles.
The recall follows two weeks of unprecedented pressure from customers demanding their cars be fixed for wide-ranging mechanical faults.
Complaints included engines that conked out, high oil use, and gearbox issues.
In addition to the official recall, Volkswagen Australia will also call 4000 diesel cars back to dealerships for inspection.
News Limited understands that Volkswagen is still yet to issue an official recall following customer claims of sudden vehicle decceleration.
The company says any one experiencing that fault or any others to contact their local Volkswagen dealer.
Volkswagen Australia has set up a dedicated customer service line to answer customer queries - 1800 504 076.
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That leaves some of us out of luck
Nothing on official Government Website

Again, VW Australia left us Skoda owners out of the list, my octavia build date is also between the recalled dates.

Don't get me wrong, I love my octavia but just thinking of future DSG issues or resale value when out of warranty is simply outrages. I know VW is a good car but after VW Australia taking so long to take responsibility no one in the right mind will buy a DSG out of warranty unless sold in a great loss.

Unless VW provides us the loyal customers including the Skoda owners with long term warranty on the 7DSG gearbox related issues this will be my last VW owned car in Australia.

Hope the official announcement will be better then this one.

Sorry, simply not good enough for me

[gavs]

Gavs you now sound like the first Fairfax article which tried to link the accident with just about every problem with a VW even those which were not relevant like the DSG. That is what OzVWCrap was trying to continue. The two issues are separate and lets keep it that way. I can see you agree, but just can't admit it yet. I am glad there is a recall for DGS problems, but again it is a separate issue and one that has nothing whatsoever to do with Ms Ryan's tragic death and according to the Department of Transport and Infrastructure there is no safety issue for those VW owners who complained about similar issues (sudden deceleration for whatever reason)! I agree that we need to wait and see and thus we also need to stop prejudging outcomes and confusing the issues in a way that does even more damage to existing owners as is. Would you not agree?

I don't follow. Where have I ever said anything along those lines? Please, educate me. I've never drawn the bow to say that the death was related to the lack of response from VGA or the government. What I have said is at there are plenty of people that are more than willing to jump up and down when one of us that have had a VW lose drive in an unnerving and unsafe fashion (contrary to what a government agency might say, which is the point I was making RE government statements, specifically this one) and try and disregard what we are saying as heresay and inaccurate.
The issues with the dsg are real and more common than what people like to discount as people being illogically paranoid. 25000 vehicles out of the 220,000 is more than 10% is in a manufacturing/quality control sense is ridiculous.

2 weeks ago the official line was "there are no issues", last week it was "yes there are issues but no recall/service campaign is required". Tonight a recall is issued.

Surely logic would prevail to say that yes, perhaps that maybe there is in fact an issue?

[cmrtig]

I don't follow. Where have I ever said anything along those lines? Please, educate me. I've never drawn the bow to say that the death was related to the lack of response from VGA or the government. What I have said is at there are plenty of people that are more than willing to jump up and down when one of us that have had a VW lose drive in an unnerving and unsafe fashion (contrary to what a government agency might say, which is the point I was making RE government statements, specifically this one) and try and disregard what we are saying as heresay and inaccurate.
The issues with the dsg are real and more common than what people like to discount as people being illogically paranoid. 25000 vehicles out of the 220,000 is more than 10% is in a manufacturing/quality control sense is ridiculous.

2 weeks ago the official line was "there are no issues", last week it was "yes there are issues but no recall/service campaign is required". Tonight a recall is issued.

Surely logic would prevail to say that yes, perhaps that maybe there is in fact an issue?

I don't think anyone here disregards any issues. Confusing issues and linking them to fatal accidents without any evidence and to simply hurt the brand more is the problem. Obviously when a car stops running in the middle of the road it is a problem, but there are many possible reasons for that and if one does not like it you may as well not drive a car. Ozvwcrap went beyond the facts and your support for him suggests the same! Anyway no point discussing this any further as you don't seem to get it or care that all these issues can be discussed in a logical manner without having to make unsubstantiated generalizations. I suggest you take your advice and let's just wait and see as the facts come out and then comment!

[Hail22]

So does this mean the mechatronic's unit will be replaced (supposedly with the faultless one) and they will further inspect the gearbox in case of failure?

[sVWatt]

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