DSG woes in The Age

[pologti18t]

Yes that was in Sweden and was the Passat.

EDIT: http://www.teknikensvarld.se/2012/12...****-som-taxi/ its in Swedish tho but seems it only affected Passats running on gas

yes, VW recommends the Touran TSI EcoFuel with...the 7DSG gearbox

[Arnold]

Doesn't Sound Good.

[Hail22]

I believe the safest and best option for both sides (VWA and consumers) is that VW announce an extended driveline warranty (engine, box, clutch, DSG) for 10 years exactly like China...that at least would remove the need for a recall but adds stability and confidence back into the brand / second hand VW's.

[pologti18t]

You seem to have some technical knowledge, so here is my vehicle's info below. Are you saying this model does NOT have the DSG problems, or only that it is not covered by the recall in other countries?

That's a TDI? If so, then if it has a dsg gearbox its the wet clutch 6 speed unit. The one that is causing all the grief and the recalls is the dry clutch 7 speed unit most commonly found here in 1.2 and 1.4L petrol VW etc.

[muli]

yes, VW recommends the Touran TSI EcoFuel with...the 7DSG gearbox

So instead of a 7 speed Passat they say use a 7 speed Touran? is there more than one model of the 7speed DSG?

[Diesel_vert]

What needs to happen is that VGA should be made to repay owners a percentage of the drop in resale value of the car, I say $6000 per car with this gearbox for polos, $9k for golfs, $12 for passats etc. On top of that, be forced to publically admit in writing that there is an issue, then those warranty claims that dealers have refused because they "can't find any problem" can be contested, resulting in full gearbox replacement including clutch packs and mechatronics units.

Finally, a $15,000,000 fine for misleading the public and putting all owners of vehicles with the dq200 in (greater than usual on the roads) harms way.

An overly ambitious lawyer with German connections in high places might consider going after Volkswagen AG itself, who last year made an after tax profit of EUR 22 billion, so even 0.01% of that roughly equates to an amount of EUR 222 million (AUD 300 million).

There's a retirement plan right there, albeit a little risky.

Anyone know what a new metritronics unit costs, installed (estimate)?
Anyone know what a new clutch pack costs, installed (estimate)?

I'm not 100% sure, but here are my estimates if purchased from an Australian VW dealer (parts only, excluding fitting):

The mechatronics unit would probably cost about $4,500.
The clutch pack would probably cost about $2,000.

It is concerning. Mine is about to tick over 3 years old and I haven't really had any problems (touch wood) although I have been paying more attention and now i think my mind plays tricks on me.

As Hail said, the transmission warranty is now 5 years or 150 000 km (whichever you reach first) from the vehicle's delivery date, but best to confirm with VW.

Link: General Warranty Terms and Conditions - Volkswagen Australia

You seem to have some technical knowledge, so here is my vehicle's info below. Are you saying this model does NOT have the DSG problems, or only that it is not covered by the recall in other countries?

That my friend, is a 103 TDI common-rail engine with a DPF (CBAB) attached to a DQ250 6-speed DSG transmission (LQV).

Although the DQ250 6-speed DSG transmission isn't trouble-free (earlier units often needed a replacement mechatronics unit under warranty, which costs about $4,000), it is not the DSG transmission in question that is currently subject to a recall in several countries - that would be the DQ200 7-speed DSG transmission.

[muli]

Re: DSG woes in The Age

The 5yr/150k driveline warranty apply to skoda/audi etc as well?

[alexaescht]

DSG woes in The Age

So instead of a 7 speed Passat they say use a 7 speed Touran? is there more than one model of the 7speed DSG?

No idea what the Sharan uses, but there is a 7 speed wet clutch DSG, used in the TDI Tiguan.

[Diesel_vert]

Thanks. I've now done 4 years and 25000km in the car ... would a dud mechatronics unit have shown up by now?

The fact that you have a Mk6 Golf (5K1) lessens the likelihood of there being a dud mechatronics unit, but unless one has a crystal ball, one can never say for certain.

If your car is still acting up, and if the fault lies with the mech unit, and if your car is less than 5 years old from its delivery date, you might still be in with a chance of getting it replaced under warranty:

General Warranty Terms and Conditions - Volkswagen Australia

That is, assuming that your car is covered by the 5 year / 150 000 km transmission warranty. Best to confirm with VW.

Having said that, I'd waste no time in selling it as soon as it's practicable if it's causing you such angst, or you feel that it will cause you such angst in the near future - you don't need this in your life.

The 5yr/150k driveline warranty apply to skoda/audi etc as well?

From what I can tell, that doesn't appear to be the case.

[wogboy_9000]

Re: DSG woes in The Age

Free extended warranty only applies to 2013+ model cars. Doesn't really help me out with a MY11 that's still under warranty

[ill0gitech]

Free extended warranty only applies to 2013+ model cars. Doesn't really help me out with a MY11 that's still under warranty

I thought I had read that it was being applied to existing cars as well, but now can't find where I read it. Might be worth speaking to your dealer and/or VW to see if it applies.


Also - Fairfax has yet another story: Volkswagen told to come clean on safety concerns (by "peak motoring body" AAA)

[gavs]

So, to put 1,000,000 DSG gearboxes into Chinese cars they had to build 5 Million mechatronics units to cover the 80% failure rate?

Not exactly. The proceedure is to test them, find out what the defective component is and the broken translation leads me to believe that the issue in generally with the solenoids inside the mechatronics unit.

It goes back through the re-work line and tested again. If it passes this time, it goes out. If it doesn't then back through again until all the solenoids are (supposedly) working correctly.

So I guess the simple answer is no.

[Hail22]

Seeing as this is an election year...why not all of us email the member responsible?

Perhaps some political pressure could lead to an inquiry to make effective change for future vehicle owners (not just VW owners):

Home

I've just sent a carefully worded email to the member...I'd advise the same to everyone else.

P.S remember...they need votes later this year...a few thousand would go a long way for them

[gavs]

yes, VW recommends the Touran TSI EcoFuel with...the 7DSG gearbox

Correction, it was specifically related to the Touran in Denmark (as outlined by blogger Nihad), not the passat in sweden. So now that is 2 scandanavian contries that have issued this order it seems......?

And as pointed out recently, the owners manual in some DQ200 eqipped models says that (paraphrased from memory) that the car should not be driven in periods of stop start traffic due to the tendancy of the gearbox to overheat which requires the car to either be stopped and allowed to cool down or driven at speeds over 20kph to let the airflow cool the box down.

If these cars cannot be driven in Scandanavia without thermal related damage to the clutch packs in stop start traffic, how can they sell them into a country where, by VW's own admission they have to detune cars due to the climate (which we all know is marketting crap so the Golf R isn't faster than the double-the-price S3)? Why on australian delivered 6R polo's does the build sheet contain the words "Tropical Build Spec" if there is no issue with the climate affecting these things? Why does it need to be made apparent when all the fluids etc are all the same and have to comply to the same standards outlined by VAG?


Why also is it that when you have clutch pack issues and you walk into a dealership, that you are told that the newest updated clutchpacks have been installed, and yet exactly the same clutch packs came out of the car from the factory?! Yes, the might be the latest update, but that update is 2+ years old already, yet these issues are still going on and on.

[wogboy_9000]

Re: DSG woes in The Age

I thought I had read that it was being applied to existing cars as well, but now can't find where I read it. Might be worth speaking to your dealer and/or VW to see if it applies.


Also - Fairfax has yet another story: Volkswagen told to come clean on safety concerns (by "peak motoring body" AAA)

I called my local dealership. Unfortunately it only applies to 2013 model cars.