DSG woes in The Age

[wai]

It might not fix the problem but it might .. I also have DSG problems.. but better then just sticking you head in the sand like they are doing..

The thing is that the ACCC and the Department of Infrastructure and Transport will not act using this as an argument.

So, it comes down to convincing that it is in VW's interests for them to act at their own expense. They are not going to be compelled to unless the fault and its cause can be documented and shown to be the responsibility of VW.

It is frustrating, but that is what we have accepted from our politicians.

Maybe when VW loses significant market share, they might act. Remember, it is only in recent years that VW have picked up. Maybe they feel they can do without an Australian market.

This is commercial, and it is commercial pressures that will see VW act.

[SilvrFoxX]

Re: DSG woes in The Age

I check the forum at about 5.30 am and then about 5.30pm, I have never seen any thread generate so much response in all the years I have participated. Love a good debate.

That said I struggle to understand what the fuss about geting recalls are about.... the situation is simple, there is a coroner investigation into a death which may or may not be attributed to a mechnical failure in a car. VW have stated they are fully co operating with the investigation, end of communications.

The associated quality control issues pertaining to thier products and expectation of some action to follow is a bridge too far methinks.

Post the findings, which could be the truck driver was on speed and making **** up, VW may be compelled to do something.

[RoknRob]

I check the forum at about 5.30 am and then about 5.30pm, I have never seen any thread generate so much response in all the years I have participated. Love a good debate.

That said I struggle to understand what the fuss about geting recalls are about.... the situation is simple, there is a coroner investigation into a death which may or may not be attributed to a mechnical failure in a car. VW have stated they are fully co operating with the investigation, end of communications.

The associated quality control issues pertaining to thier products and expectation of some action to follow is a bridge too far methinks.

Post the findings, which could be the truck driver was on speed and making **** up, VW may be compelled to do something.

It doesn't make sense to wait. There is no need.

Even if the coroner decides the car wasn't the problem, the fact that they have already reacted overseas, the fact that so many people have come forward with examples of how their cars have or could put themselves and others in danger, why shouldn't we be clamoring for the same fix now?


I'm not happy about it - I love my little car in every other respect... I just wish I could TRUST it... not to mention trust that VW in front of me...

And I'm not happy about this, either: Drive: Volkswagen owners could lose thousands

But safety is more important to me.

[Transporter]

It doesn't make sense to wait. There is no need.

Even if the coroner decides the car wasn't the problem, the fact that they have already reacted overseas, the fact that so many people have come forward with examples of how their cars have or could put themselves and others in danger, why shouldn't we be clamoring for the same fix now?


I'm not happy about it - I love my little car in every other respect... I just wish I could TRUST it... not to mention trust that VW in front of me...

And I'm not happy about this, either: Drive: Volkswagen owners could lose thousands

But safety is more important to me.

...and me too.

So, if the truck driver was at the fault and you let them to blame the car, that could be even worst for the road safety.

Just watching some of those trucks in the rear view mirror, I know they wouldn't stop If I'd start breaking suddenly, so why they don't keep a greater gap to stop safely. I don't take that, it is impossible for them to stop if the small car in front of them would start slowing down suddenly. If that would be the case for whatever reason, then we need the extra roads for the trucks only or use the trains wherever we can.

[Diesel_vert]

It doesn't make sense to wait. There is no need.

From a cost perspective, it's probably better to wait until the moment the regulator is about to act, and then issue any recall.

Unless the cost of any potential fine exceeds the cost of the recall - in which case, it's better to issue a recall immediately.

why shouldn't we be clamoring for the same fix now?

Which issue are you referring to? The engine stalling/cut-off/limp-home/etc issue or the 7-speed DSG issue?

In regards to the former, Volkswagen may have a solution and plan to fix it on a case-by-case basis, or they may not yet have a solution at all, or it may not even be caused by the vehicle itself - at this stage we don't know for certain.

In regards to the latter, I would be amazed if consumer sentiment forces VW to issue a DSG recall, but nothing is impossible!

And I'm not happy about this, either: Drive: Volkswagen owners could lose thousands

I thought this quote from the article was interesting:

He added that Volkswagen's products are generally highly-regarded in the used-car market

Personally, I'm not adverse to buying second-hand European cars because I'm confident in dealing with most potential issues that may arise, but second-hand European cars are generally not something I would recommend willy-nilly to just anyone (in Australia), especially family or friends who have no technical interest in cars.

I love my Euros, but I'm under no illusion of what I may be getting myself into, which unfortunately can't said for some others. Buyer beware.

[pologti18t]

Further:

A tad more balanced and better researched.

VW engine dramas ‘not deceleration’ | carsguide.com.au

[OilBurna]

Why don't VWA increase the warranty on all DSG's to ten years like they did in the US?

[gavs]

DSG woes in The Age

Why don't VWA increase the warranty on all DSG's to ten years like they did in the US?

What's the point? They will just keep throwing band aids at the problem and never fix it. They will just end up doing what they did with the problematic 1.4 twincharged engine. Just discontinue building it.

What needs to happen is that VGA should be made to repay owners a percentage of the drop in resale value of the car, I say $6000 per car with this gearbox for polos, $9k for golfs, $12 for passats etc. On top of that, be forced to publically admit in writing that there is an issue, then those warranty claims that dealers have refused because they "can't find any problem" can be contested, resulting in full gearbox replacement including clutch packs and mechatronics units.

Finally, a $15,000,000 fine for misleading the public and putting all owners of vehicles with the dq200 in (greater than usual on the roads) harms way.

Think of it this way for those of you that have not experienced this first hand, like some of us have.

Imagine if you were allowed to walk into a warehouse and randomly select 5% of the baby formula in that warehouse. Into that 5% you put a low-ish dose of cyanide. Not enough to kill everyone that has that formula, but enough to make them have some near misses, but it might cause one death.

How is that any different...?

[gavs]

DSG woes in The Age

OzVWCrap,

Yes. This gearbox hates stop start traffic. In one of the Northern European countries, you cannot buy a vehicle with the dq200 for use as a taxi because vw in that country have issued a statement saying that it is unsuitable for use in a taxi due to how a taxi is driven.

[pepperpolo]

I've been reading the thread with interest.

Does anyone know if all this media has affected extended warranty prices? Anyone got one in the last week or so?

Anyone know what a new metritronics unit costs, installed (estimate)?

Anyone know what a new clutch pack costs, installed (estimate)?

It is concerning. Mine is about to tick over 3 years old and I haven't really had any problems (touch wood) although I have been paying more attention and now i think my mind plays tricks on me.

All cars (brands) can have problems I know this. But Gavs 80% on metritronics has me concerned as well as the clutches not liking traffic.... Where do these people think they are owned, it certainly isn't the country. The polo doesn't make a good ute.

[Hail22]

Pepper don't worry mate, VW Australia issued a few months a Driveline warranty which is a 5 year warranty on the drivetrain, gearbox, mech, clutch and engine...so +2 to your 3 years.

However confirm with your dealer...but this should be the new norm.

[SnowMotion]

Interesting read in this thread. It has certainly stirred up a lot of emotion...
As a VW owner who has had cause to make a complaint (not related to this topic) to VGA, I am not surprised by the level of emotion in this discussion as i rate VGA's customer service as woeful.
They bare no responsibility for any problems not even factory issues and leave the consumer to fend for themselves. To me, this media attention on VW is well overdue.

[pologti18t]

Again, 80%.....

So, to put 1,000,000 DSG gearboxes into Chinese cars they had to build 5 Million mechatronics units to cover the 80% failure rate?

[pologti18t]

Tell me, if I assiduously avoid stop-start traffic, can I mostly avoid overheating this gearbox? I'm trying to work out how to keep this car going until it karks it from old age, hopefully many years from now.

I thought you owned a diesel dsg car? If so, the the gearbox is totally different and isn't covered by any of the recalls mentioned.

As for the drivetrain warranty in the USA:

Powertrain limited warranty* (All models except 2011 and newer Touaregs)

5 years/60,000 miles (whichever occurs first) Powertrain Limited Warranty.

[muli]

OzVWCrap,

Yes. This gearbox hates stop start traffic. In one of the Northern European countries, you cannot buy a vehicle with the dq200 for use as a taxi because vw in that country have issued a statement saying that it is unsuitable for use in a taxi due to how a taxi is driven.

Yes that was in Sweden and was the Passat.

EDIT: http://www.teknikensvarld.se/2012/12...****-som-taxi/ its in Swedish tho but seems it only affected Passats running on gas