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Overdrive only gives you an extra gear (an overdriven gear, ie longer than 1:1), it has no bearing on how the car behaves in gears 1-3 (on this particular gearbox).
Overdrive only gives you an extra gear (an overdriven gear, ie longer than 1:1), it has no bearing on how the car behaves in gears 1-3 (on this particular gearbox).
Sorry to say it does.
It holds gears longer & shifts harsher. Almost like a sport mode
My suggestion to golfworx is that if he wants to talk Commodores, then go and do it on a Holden forum!
That is as politely as I can put it.
Rubbishing the experience of fellow VW enthusiasts on this site will get you nowhere.
I drink the same crappy water you all do. Unless you have fancy water filters in your tap cause you don't like fluoride or are scared of catching a virus!
Who says I want to get anywhere?
I'm happy to talk VW's & love them & have been involved with them for as long as I can remember.
What gripes me to no end which I still will never understand is the fact you all seem to think & drum into people that these cars are so much better than they actually are & so many light years ahead of the local bogan product!
From stupid power claims eg a VW has more power & is faster than a SS or G6ET, which is like saying if I have 5 kgs in one hand & 45kgs in the other, you'd say the 5kg is heavier!
To build quality & reliability claims. Just have a look in the new car sections & see how many people are having problems with there brand new or a couple of year old cars. Just look at the engine failures! Mmmmmm.
You can sweep it under the rug & be naive for the rest of your life!
But I'm sorry to tell you that its still going to be there!
You can call it rubbishing if you like. I'm giving you fact & real life experience!!!
Or you can do what most do & get advice, facts or know how from a VW forum with most people who sit behind a desk or what ever non mechanical/ labour style job & don't even know what a Torx screw looks like!!
But they can memorize the Owners handbook & all its operating functions like being at a spelling bee
OH but they can tell you why your car is running rough.
Why doesn't VW start sending these cars out to all these keyboard desk warriors? I'm sure you could even figure that out
Rather strongly on both seeings as you asked...but this is an R: thread...so unless it's clubbies and Mk4's it's a old argument that will go nowhere.
So are you going to try & explain to me how a R36 makes more power & is faster than a stock SS or even a G6ET like someone has tried to do before?
I've seen a brand new, stock, straight off the show room floor
SS run a 13.3
G6ET run a 12.9
They aren't on the same playing field as the R36 is in a dearer class which is slower & has less grunt.
If you want to compare within its price range
Go head to head with the R36 v
HSV Clubsport R8 (Hands down winner in every way!)
FPV F6 310 (this thump's both cars & has in gear acceleration on par with a 911 turbo!)
Even the vid's from car reviews on VW's fastest, most power car to date (don't be childish & add in sister companys eg. Bugatti, Lambo) are just as funny as the drivers/reviews aren't all that excited about it!
The last time I checked 225kw was less power than 270kw or even 317kw! Unless my calculations are so far bundled up & out of whack, maybe we can get an outside source to calculate it for me!
For the majority of VW owners who absolutely hate the idea of drag racing & think its all very boring, your all very quick to defend how fast your cars go, or how many cars you've taken down at the traffic lights & justify how much power is makes & how fast it goes!
Its almost like fishing with dynamite!!
If these cars are so bloody good at what they do as an overall package, why don't you see them being used as general Police cars here & in the states?
I seen my first Passat wagon Taxi the other day too! It was on the back of a tow truck!
Maybe I will just never get why, or it must be a VW owner thing!
Think your cars are better & faster than everything else out there. Hence my signature!
Go head to head with the R36 v
HSV Clubsport R8 (Hands down winner in every way!)
As someone who upgraded from a (modified to 280rwkw) VE HSV Clubsport R8, I can safely say that the (stock) .:R36 is a much better, and I mean MUCH better overall product. The things I miss about the Clubby are the exhaust note, shifting fully manual (sometimes) and the bigger size of the car overall. Other than that, the .:R36 is STREETS ahead. Build quality, safety, dynamics, comfort, luxury, appoinments (except no standard Bluetooth) all easily trump the big Aussie V8.
As for power and performance, it's oranges vs apples. I was able to get better lap times at MDTC in NSW in my .:R36 than others were in their VE Clubbys. Driving a twisty road is much more enjoyable, precise and easier in the .:R36. In a straight line there's about a second in it over 400m but that's not the sort of thing I find entertaining - in fact it's just boring! And I've never driven anywhere 400m at a time.
Actually my vote is the MKV, and nothing gives me more wood than thinking of sticking a 3.0 TDI into an R. The MK4 is indeed nice, but if I was buying tomorrow it'd be a MKV.
GOD YES. I've been dreaming about that for a while now..
jeez golfworx, can you stop bringing holden and ford to every single thread? love an ss and xr6t, but a lot of things stop me from buying one.
and rocket36 can you stop saying how awesome your r36 is, and how it ****s on everything else on the road? in reality, rolling its not much faster than my bora
As someone who upgraded from a (modified to 280rwkw) VE HSV Clubsport R8, I can safely say that the (stock) .:R36 is a much better, and I mean MUCH better overall product. The things I miss about the Clubby are the exhaust note, shifting fully manual (sometimes) and the bigger size of the car overall. Other than that, the .:R36 is STREETS ahead. Build quality, safety, dynamics, comfort, luxury, appoinments (except no standard Bluetooth) all easily trump the big Aussie V8.
As for power and performance, it's oranges vs apples. I was able to get better lap times at MDTC in NSW in my .:R36 than others were in their VE Clubbys. Driving a twisty road is much more enjoyable, precise and easier in the .:R36. In a straight line there's about a second in it over 400m but that's not the sort of thing I find entertaining - in fact it's just boring! And I've never driven anywhere 400m at a time.
Golfworx...
I agree with Rocket, with an open mind and the keys to a brand new Lexus (dealer loaner) in my pocket (where they stayed all day, even whilst I was driving the thing) I drove my V8 loving best mate to Bartons HSV here in Brisbane on friday, $60k for a GXP seems like a pretty good package basic car, huge motor..great.
Overall HSV's...no, not even close, I'm sure they are great cars, kinda like buying a commodore that has had the entire super cheap catalogue thrown at it...But to compare it favourably "in every way" to VW, BMW's and Mercs without even considering japanese competition is wrong. The market clearly declares this...
As for the notion that everyone who isn't a fan of Aussie muscle must be holed up in and office all day and has never had their hands dirty is equally ignorant...but not unique.
This argument is too subjective to ever be settled, it's an interesting one but at the end of the day its a matter of opinion...vote with your hard earned $$$.
and rocket36 can you stop saying how awesome your r36 is, and how it ****s on everything else on the road? in reality, rolling its not much faster than my bora
Can you please point me in the direction of when I have ever said my .:R36 "****s on everything else on the road"... Mainly because I would never have said that so I am keen to know where you got your reference from. Feel free to bring your Bora to the next MDTC or Wakefield track day, or I'll come up for one at Eastern Creek. Would be awesome fun! I don't ever plan on rolling my .:R36 so I'm pretty sure when you roll yours you'll do it faster. And that'd be spectacular to watch. Bring it on!
As for the notion that everyone who isn't a fan of Aussie muscle must be holed up in and office all day and has never had their hands dirty is equally ignorant...but not unique.
LOL!!! I must have missed that bit... I love every inch of my 1970 Aussie 308 V8. I also love my European and my Japanese. All for different reasons and all in different ways. I also spend a lot of my time at race tracks both driving, and working on race cars being driven by others. From Formula Vee, Formula Ford, Sports Sedans, to the new Sports Racers (amazing cars!!!). A lot of the time, hands can get quite dirty.
As for the notion that everyone who isn't a fan of Aussie muscle must be holed up in and office all day and has never had their hands dirty is equally ignorant...but not unique.
My remark wasn't about who owns what & where.
Its the fact people will listen,take, quote or whatever they do with the info from people who have no idea about whats what when it comes to any cars who do such non car related style jobs incl. desk jobs etc. & question the ones who actually work on cars for a living & actually have a clue whats going on?
Its all back to front!
Its like me jumping on a brain or heart surgery forum & advising a patient about "what I found or heard" on the internet, or don't listen to that bloke. He's only the surgeon. I'm a mechanic. I know what I'm talking about. This is your problem, & this is how you fix it!
What would I bloody know about surgery?
Thats why I stay right away from helping the new later model cars sections on this site. Not worth the extra pressure on my fingertips.
I love the cars. Just will never understand why most of these people think they are that much better than everything else!
Oh Rocket.
No offense, but can't help a cheap shot for laughs sorry! My car is just as fast as a R36 & with a couple more psi, faster! haha
Not bad for a conversion that cost less than a set of R36 tyres!
Oh Rocket.
No offense, but can't help a cheap shot for laughs sorry! My car is just as fast as a R36 & with a couple more psi, faster! haha
Not bad for a conversion that cost less than a set of R36 tyres!
Um... Why would I take offence? I could spend $5,000 and drive a car that goes "faster" than my .:R36. Like I have said, it's not all about how fast something goes... You are naive to think that becasue a car is faster than another one it is also "better in every way" than it. You are also naive to think that being a mechanic qualifies you to comment in absolutes on all cars in all ways. If you don't understand what I mean by that, I apologise.
It holds gears longer & shifts harsher. Almost like a sport mode
Having driven a VN Commodore half way around Australia (and torn its gearbox to shreds half way between Alice Springs and Three-Ways in the Northern Territory, that doesn't fit in with my experience - my understanding is that they're not an electronically controlled gearbox but rather are a rather simple Jatco 4-speed (4N71?) with only one throttle/load behaviour - if you drive it harder, it'll hold longer and shift harder, but that's a result of your behaviour, not because the gearbox is behaving differently itself - the only way to do this on such an old auto would be to adjust the bands or perhaps solenoids if they're in use in this design.
Careful Manaz, your questioning the "know it all mechanic" with fact
Someone that appears to be dirty on anyone for having a desk job, yet spent a fair amount of time replying to this thread today.
Back to the thread... The Mk5 seems to be catching the Mk6, yet the Mk4 looks to be way out in front.
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