VW T5.1 excessive oil use

[aramone]

2010 4 motion

Hi mate
Did you ever get assistance from VW? I have same problem....

Hi everyone. Just wanted to inform everyone of the issues that I'm currently dealing with, and others around the globe are also having.
I own a 2010 T5.1 Tarnsporter 4motion LWB, BiTurbo. Has been losing oil for about a year now.
And I'm talking serious oil - prob put 30-40 litres oil over that time!
VW dealer cannot find source of this loss and I have commenced a 1000km oil consumption test.
The dealer basically said that if it uses more than 0.5 Litres per 1000km, then a new engine is required!
Am out of warranty, the vans only done 135,000km. Not sure if VW Australia would cover this cost.

It seems to be happening to models from 2010 on.

The fault - Piston ring failure I think...

VW have issued a TPI number 2039830/5
In summary the TPI says;
Excessive oil consumption = worn cylinder walls = Replace base Engine, Cat, DPF, Lambda probe, new software.

Lots of info here: TPI 2039830/5 - CFCA engine oil consumption too high | VW T4 Forum - VW T5 Forum

and here: Oil Comsumption / Engine Problems with 2010/2011 Cali's | VW California Owners Club

And a dedicated Facebook group: VW T5.1 / T6 excessive oil use for CFCA 2.0 180hp engines.

Will update results of my consumption test, and outcome of any dealings with VW.

Cheers

[MrSpry]

New Van.

Hi all,

This is not the best thread to be posting on as a new member but here I am.

I am 3 months into multivan ownership and we are super happy with the experience of owning the van.

Unfortunately when looking for a van I actively sought out a Bi turbo version as I wanted more power. I purchased of a wholesaler at the right price and even had the dual mass clutch replaced as part of the deal. After driving the van home 800km I discovered oil in the engine bay due to a hose being left loose. I now wonder if this was a deliberate dequoy to stop me from discovering the more serious oil loss issue within the 30 warranty period. The van is outside the limits of the mandatory 3 month warranty.

Its a 2010 Bi Turbo multivan comfortline and has used 5L of oil in 8000km.

It has the following EGR plate. A version D with 2020 on it leading me to believe it was replaced too late, obviously the damage has been done and the previous owner has spent some money trying to rectify the issue.



I plan to contact the last service centre who worked on the van to see if I can get any information about what work has been done and any test results they may have on file.

I have been in contact with one of the posters on this thread who has given me some great information about getting his engine replaced by VW despite being the second owner.

I have it booked in for a service with VW in a few days and will be requesting a compression test as well as the 1000km oil test as well.

Given the EGR has been replaced I'm not sure if the oil quality test will show up as many contaminants if it still had the A version I believe came in the 2010 models.

My hope at this point is that we may be able to get the engine replaced as some have managed to do. Otherwise I am not sure what I will do.

At this point I am thankful that I at least know where I stand and have avoided the trap of spending more money on a vehicle that is fundamentally broken.

I have joined the facebook group that is linked in this thread and have just started wading through the information on there for anything Australian specific and otherwise relevant to my situation.

Has anyone had any luck with having an engine replaced?

Does anyone have any other evidence that I can use to present my case to the dealer and VW.

Any other information that will help me out in this position.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Will

[hoddy]

Hi MrSpry,
I’d be thinking about sending the van back to where u bought it from and get your money back if possible.
Would also be good to see who replaced the EGR in 2020/2021 - maybe it had high oil use at that stage, and whoever sold it knew about the issue.
Otherwise you’re up for 10k for new engine, 13k fitted.
Unless VW helps out, good luck.

[Sunny43.5]

Whilst not engine related , we had a two year battle with VW over our first T5 transmission failing at only 120k it first played up at 65k but Vw would not open the box at that time . To cut a long story short I sent photo evidence of the fault and sent it directly to Germany , within a few days I got more correspondence from VW Australia still denying responsibility as they had been asked by Germany to look into it . In the end it was the investigation by ABC TV who were investigating VW for engine problems in the Golfs which got a young girl killed in Melbourne that got a response for my problem . They ended up paying 50% of the $8500 repair cost as they claimed it was a "goodwill gesture " You have to try and get as much evidence from other owners whose VW,s have also failed and then hit up the TV networks to see if they will help . I was probably lucky that VW were being hauled over the coals at the time with the engine problem in the Golfs and the help by the ABC after they saw my multiple complaints on VW Australias Facebook page got me a result .

[MrSpry]

Hi all,
I just got the results of an oil consumption test back and it came in at .68L per 1000km. That is not as bad as others have had but it is still over the limit for VW.

I'm wondering what to do.

Does the oil use contribute to faster engine wear?

Will the engine be producing less power?

Is it worth looking into getting the engine replaced or should I wait until things get worse and then fork out the 13K

All thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

[nickxvw]

Hi My Engine number is CFC064572 the ERG plate has an A at the end and my twin turbo 132Kw MY12 model. Is that still classed as a CFCA motor?
Thanks Nick

[Stoc]

I'm looking at buying a 2010 4Motion Multivan with 250km on the clock. Its had a lot of work done to it over the past two years by VW including most recently the turbos and the DPF. It drives well but I'm concerned that it will probably eventually develop engine issues. I've done a lot of reading of this tread and others and the question I havent seen answered is - Are there any other VW engines that have the same block and or head as the CFCA Transporter engine? From what I can gather the CFCA engine is a bit different from the other Transporter engines in that it not only has twin turbos but it also has the balance shaft(s).
Also has anyone tried swapping for a single turbo engine from a Transporter or Multivan? What would be involved? I have a good VW mechanic that thinks it should be possible but I'm surprised that no one else is looking at this option
Thanks
Stoc

[aSimpleLife]

I can only speak for myself, but the answer for me would be, don't do it.
Unless you can do most if not all the mechanical work yourself, I believe you are opening yourself to a world of financial pain and potentially the inconvenience of unreliability.

Yes they do drive beautifully.
And what other options are there if you want a AWD van.
And this thread here about one is fantastic;
And so it starts.....my new T5 LWB Motion

I had been looking to do something similar.
I already have all the running gear from a 2010 low km single turbo, I really liked the sound of an AWD van and I too have a well regarded VW mechanic.
Have found a couple of 2010-2012's with failed mechanicals, but his advice to me has consistently been...don't do it...it's too much work...and I would be paying him to do the work.
He says all the wiring looms need to be replaced and more. I don't know if that's really the case. I couldn't verify it. But it was enough to put me off.

The UK forums have a lot more info as there are a lot more vehicles.
However I was not able to find anyone who specifically went from a bi-turbo to single turbo back when I last looked.