2010 T5 Transporter Engine needs Rebuild

[Umai Naa!!]

Unfortunately the belt itself isn't entirely the problem.

The design of the lower cover isn't adequate for the job.

[REVHE4D]

The robustness kit only applies to the Amarok at this stage.

I had my robustness kit installed last year when I had my timing belt done, on my T5. The dealer rang me up and said we recommend you have this installed as a extra, seeing as it was already having the belt and water pump done.
Cost me a extra $480 .
This tells me Vw know about this issue.

My kit included covers and beefed up other components, I was told, I think Pulley and guides are more robust.

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[Sunny43.5]

Sounds like VW new about the problem and told dealers to inform customers of an upgrade but slugged the customers for their own design flaw , as was pointed out elsewhere seems VW use their customers to test their products . I saw a report in todays Cars Guide in the paper about timing belt failures in a certain car , as they said if you have a chain driven timing system then the worst that could occur would be a slipped link resulting in a lumpy idle . Rubber Timing belt failure and bingo there goes pistons valves all in one almighty smashem up derby . I know our old T5 is a chain driven and it seems more noisy but at least I can be financially better off over time not having to worry about failure and changing it every 90.000 From what I have read about it's not so much the belt failing but the result of the failure will mean the belt gets dragged into some area of the engine which then does the damage , So for the dealer to offer the Robust Kit would not stop a belt from failing just stops it from doing more damage if the belt were to fail . VW should fit this part free of charge because if they have the kit its an admission of a mistake in design in the first place .

[REVHE4D]

Makes me feel like we have all become Beta testers. And we are paying for the privilege.

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[Sunny43.5]

Agree with you about being testers VW made a similar mistake thinking the auto's on the first T5's never needed servicing and compounded the problem by putting the filter inside . By 2010 they built a new auto and the filter was placed on the outside and they decided after all that they did need to be serviced every 60.000 makes you wonder .

[Umai Naa!!]

Most convential automatic transmissions have the filter inside.

[Sunny43.5]

True but VW sold theirs as "sealed for life" now no where in our manual did it say what is "Life " . A manufacturer should give an expectancy of how long the fluid will retain is viscocity before it starts to decay , and then why put a vital component like a filter inside and tell dealers it cannot be changed as they do not allow the dealers to open the box !! it does not make logical sense .

Most convential automatic transmissions have the filter inside.

[Umai Naa!!]

ZZE122R Corolla has a filled for life auto trans. Runs a Toyota-specific oil, and has an internal filter, that can be accessed by removing the pan, once the oil is drained. Failures aren't that common.

Transmission is made by Aisin, who also make the T5 auto...

Explain that.

[Sunny43.5]

You missed the point an I agree that yes the sump pan can be removed but when you are not privy to other information the dealer has you at their mercy . I was told that they would never remove the sump as VW told them not to .

[wanderingwilson]

Hi Guys, not sure if this thread is still about engines but my 2011 4motion had exactly the same failure 2 weeks ago. The big difference is that mine had a new engine fitted 30000 km ago under a 70% goodwill from VW. That was at 115000 km and related to high oil consumption. I was happy with that outcome but to have it back in the Dealers now with another catastrophic failure is devastating given the previous total repair bill exceeded $21 k. As you can imagine there is a lot of wrangling going on and I will keep the forum informed. I am very positive who won't be paying for this debacle, ME !
Fullcirc, feel free to pm me if I can be of any help or advice. I do know that that there is a CFCA engine with only 30000km available on the net in Melbourne.
Wish me luck people !

[Sunny43.5]

I wonder if the "robust kit "was fitted to your new engine at the time of replacement , plus failing at only 30000 kays after replacement is a bit hard to accept any warning that there was a problem noises etc .

[LogicprObe]

Hi Guys, not sure if this thread is still about engines but my 2011 4motion had exactly the same failure 2 weeks ago. The big difference is that mine had a new engine fitted 30000 km ago under a 70% goodwill from VW. That was at 115000 km and related to high oil consumption. I was happy with that outcome but to have it back in the Dealers now with another catastrophic failure is devastating given the previous total repair bill exceeded $21 k. As you can imagine there is a lot of wrangling going on and I will keep the forum informed. I am very positive who won't be paying for this debacle, ME !
Fullcirc, feel free to pm me if I can be of any help or advice. I do know that that there is a CFCA engine with only 30000km available on the net in Melbourne.
Wish me luck people !

What happened?
Did they come to the party or what?

[Sunny43.5]

So when the first engine was replaced did they fit the Robust kit or was it still standard , because it seems to me that they should have offered it at the time . When we picked up our new T5 in 2012 I was alarmed at the salesman who told me that their dealership had a "Pitstop 'system to offer customers a free refill of oil if it needed it between services . From some reports some VW models are rather thirsty when it comes to oil consumption , I can accept that sort of thing with cars 40 years ago but with modern technology oil consumption should not be an issue .

[Transporter]

Sunny, the issue is not related only to VAG engines, many others use a lot of oil between the oil changes. Some use even lighter and more expensive engine oils, like 0w20 or 0w16.

[Sunny43.5]

Forgive me I am old school , I just can't get my mind around some of todays methodology . Engines that use excessive oil from brand new ! auto transmissions that are sealed and owners told they don't need to be serviced . How much other stuff is out there waiting to unleash itself upon us unsuspecting motorists .