Hi Ho Hi Ho its to off the transmision shop I go.

[Sunny43.5]

Hello IN2VWS no I will admit that I have not been to other VW dealers as they will only tell you that they will not fix the auto as they use an outside repair shop and there has been some issues with the repairs done in this manner because as you could appreciate they are looking for the best deal so they can maximise their profit on the job . I was told that some VW dealers have been sending the autos down south as they have been getting a cheaper price but the parts used are not up to standard in quality as they will only offer a very short warranty on a rebuild . I would rather the guy who is honest and knows the problems and also has been recommended by a Forum Sponsor who I hold in high regard for his experience with these autos and VW ,s . Nearly forgot no I have not been nasty or disrespectful to the local dealer I even told the guy that I really did not believe the failure was totally their responsibility as any work is done to VW spec,s under directions from VW tech,s here in Australia .
Cousin , as for VW recycling parts well good for them but there is also an insidious side to this as well , it was raised on this forum some time ago when the issue was raised . The conspiracy theorist will say that maybe VW do not want parts that fail to fall into reconditioners hands and then get put back into the market place with inferior parts fitted . Or even better that they do not want other companies to be able to see what the failures are caused by . Only a theory ?? Now my main complaint is that if they want "MY" parts back to recycle then they should "PAY" me for the parts or give a discount that seems a fair system .
Reply to Jets our T4 had an auto but it was perfect for the years we owned it I just had to get used to the "adaptive " nature it had , but then VW have made two succesive automatics with some rather dubious problems that we are now seeing . I am going to watch carefully what transpires when the first of the DSG ,s start to come out of warranty to see if they are going to give problems with higher kilometres on the clock . I just find it counter productive that they can build a diesel engine that when serviced and regular oil changes will give many hundreds of thousands of kms but the gearboxes cannot handle a lousy 130,000 which seems to be a fairly consitant period before death . If I am not mistaken they are already looking at an 8 speed auto where will it end .

[Cousin]

where will it end .

CVT
Just picked up a Subaru XV with a cvt transmission
Brilliant idea, and they seemed to have got it right, from all reports
Audi do one also, but $19,000 to replace?
And again the electronics seem to be letting the Audi ones down


M

[Sunny43.5]

I know that there are many reasons for higher numbers of gears to smooth out the acceleration process and by that increase the fuel mileage and subsequently reduce emissions . But when this technology is new it is destined to give problems . I broke the cardinal rule of buying cars NEVER buy the first of a new design , I believe VW realised after the release of this gearbox that the triptronic in the real world did not meet customers and their expectations because of a design or engineering problems so out with the Triptronic and in with the DSG and look at what has happened with that one . Now before I get jumped on by those who would love to , not everyone has been as lucky as those whose autos have not failed yet or in the future . There are many people who have told us through this forum that they are very happy with their auto,s performance . But remember there have been many many more who have reported that their autos have not met their expectations in performance and drivability and have had to get VW to apply software fixes to make them improve the behaviour . Then there are people like myself who feel agrieved because the van they bought has not met the expected quality that the company have strived in advertising to convince us to buy them in the first place . Half a million VW owners in China were given extended warranties to try and restore customer faith in the brand , and please read the article on the link about the American experience here http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/15/VWCA.pdf

[IN2VWS]

......again with the passenger car DSG's..

You are fully entitled to your views. Mine.....So far, I love my DSG.
Not all stories are horror stories.
There are passenger car sections on this forum where you can share your views and search results on the passenger car DSG's.
Please, just stick to the Transporter transmissions in the the Transporter section.

[Sunny43.5]

I agree with your sentiments but it goes to the heart of the design VALVE BODIES its a common link with the triptronic regardless of whether its in a Car or a Transporter the valve bodies are faulty how much more clear can it be made VW,s admittance to me via the dealer when I picked ours up !!! the end result is it will eventually destroy the rest of the auto . Please read the transcript its is very clear VW were willing to replace VALVE BODIES but would not repair the damage they caused . I am glad you love your DSG but please let us know if it hiccups , my mates T5 DSG less than 12000 kms is not a very good advertisement it has had sofware updates done and is still no better sorry I am a hard man to convince that software is the answer too much electronics in a harsh enviroment .

[IN2VWS]

regarding your mates T5 with software upgrade.......I suspect his dealer does not know what they are doing or upgrading. There have been other members on here that took their vans back numerous times, and finally, they found the upgrade. Some dealers are confusing a recall for software with the software upgrade. They are not the same.
If done properly, there is a noticeable difference.

[Sunny43.5]

Yes I have told him not to let them ignore his requests as I suspect what you say has happened , this same service centre were the ones who wanted to change the cam belt in our T5 5years ago hmmmmmm its gear driven guys , and again they tried when it was in for service last time .They never learn .

[Sunny43.5]

I thought I would ask a question on my own thread , there have been several forum members who have had their Triptronic auto serviced can any of you tell me if the filter was replaced cleaned etc and or the sump pan removed for same .

[BrianJ]

I thought I would ask a question on my own thread , there have been several forum members who have had their Triptronic auto serviced can any of you tell me if the filter was replaced cleaned etc and or the sump pan removed for same .

Just had the oil changed in my 6speed tiptronic two days ago and asked that exact question, the answer was no, no point opening them as they only have a gauze filter which is too coarse to catch any of the fine particles. I now have new oil after 150,000km and also reset the transmission computer module and it appear to be working very well.

Brian

[jets]

no point opening them as they only have a gauze filter which is too coarse to catch any of the fine particles.

I think this needs investigating. The T4 I owned had a proper paper filter & also a magnet that needs to be cleaned particularly after 150,000km. I changed mine at just over 100,000km from memory & the magnet was full of wiskers. I know Rebuild has changed his, maybe he can confirm whether or not there is a filter.

[Sunny43.5]

Please keep the answers coming guys because I saw our auto in pieces this afternoon , and the one thing that was pointed out to me at this early stage of disassembly was the "Filter " was virtually completely blocked it is a very fine gauze metal not coarse as was told to Brian J and was black with a slimy residue very evident on the filter surface , the same residue was also very evident on the pan of the box . I wonder whether any VW tech has actually seen one of these as it seems the service method is flawed , why put fresh fluid in and not clean or replace the filter ? makes sense to me . Now the repairer pointed out that whilst the valve bodies was a problem the fact that the filter was partially blocked it would have been this that was causing the auto to slip as we all know the filter is supposed to clean the fluid of any foreign material like clutch fibers etc as it travels through the rest of the box . Therefore when it is blocked in part then the auto will starve for fluid causing the clutch packs to slip and then activate a fault within the electronics . So who,s fault would it then be VW because they don,t service them ? or maybe a dealer fault because they do not remove the pan to clear or replace the filter when servicing . I will follow this particular item as it made so much sense when I saw it . This would also answer the question I asked ages a go when I wanted to know how come turning the car off and then on again would fix it , this was also answered as the flow of fluid moving through the filter is one way when it becomes blocked enough and slips you turn the car off and the fluid drains backwards through the filter , which was why drive was restored obviously the fluid flowing back through the filter would partially clear the filter restoring drive . Will pursue some more information but its becoming clear that this is a major contributor to premature failure ."Interesting"

[BrianJ]

The next question could be , what is the slimy residue and where did it come from, is it a component of the oil breaking down, or coming out of the clutch Linings or somewhere. I also asked that genuine VW oil be installed even though they had in stock other oil that met the same specification.

An alternate theory as to why it recovers when the engine is stopped could be that an error in the ECU (control computer) has been reset, and it can work until something happens again. The theory that it is starving for oil seems a good one to me.

The other thing that I can add to the sum of information is that my van has done a lot of its total distance on the open highway where it doesn't need to change gears as much, as opposed to all city running.

Edit: The oil part number used in mine was G055025 A2

Brian

[Sunny43.5]

Well the residue looked to me like a dirty residue that would have accumulated over along period of time probably a combination of decaying fluid mixed with minute debris this would settle to the bottom of the pan and any other flat surfaces when the car is stopped , And I agree I also would wonder why drive would be partially restored when turned off but the filter blockage makes much more sense . Our van has done a combination of city and highway so it has had all types of driving circumstances . I am certainly convinced that lack of ability to change the oil and filter is a major mistake with the design , If you put fresh oil in the engine it goes without saying that you change the filter as it would defeat the purpose same should apply to the auto , the clutch packs cannot possibly remain in pristine new condition over the years so some sort of material is going to circulate and end up in the filter .

[Silver Caravelle]

how to change T5 Auto Gearbox Oil - The Brick-yard

Here the link to the Brick yard site. changing the filter should not be any different to any other conventional Auto.

Regard, Scott

[Sunny43.5]

Thanks for that I knew there was a pictorial somewhere you can clearly see the gauze section in the filter and the one in the photo was not as bad as mine looked plus his oil looks red mine was black !!! . I just need now to know that if VW now are recommending they be serviced at 60.000 kay intervals is the filter supposed to be cleaned or replaced . Engine oil filters are outside for easy replacement VW obviously would have the filter internally in an auto but if they have changed their routine there should be some guides on what they are supposed top do and a Filter change -clean should be an absolute priority . Love to know ????