OBD 11 Pro Polo GTI AE 2023

[NJG876]

Hi, I am considering purchasing an OBD11 for my car to make a few adjustments and just had some questions about it. Firstly is this product even worth the money? Secondly what virtual cockpit changes can I make using its one click app. Thirdly Can i remove the soft limiter on the car using this OBD11? And finally Is there anyway to bypass having to purchase credits?

[Flipper Dog]

OBDeleven (OBD11) is worth the money depending how you want to use it.
If you just want to change a few things to customise your Polo to your liking, then maybe look towards someone who has one and see if they could assist in coding for you. https://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/f153/
If you want to play around with coding changes and the maintenance side then the OBD11 is a very handy tool.
The best value is OBD11 Pro, you don't need credits but you need to research what you want to code and manually input it. Easy to find the steps on a quick web search. Not really hard and gives you some understanding what is happening in the background.

The device only is where you need to use one click apps and credits as it won't allow you to do manual coding.
There are over 120 one click apps for the Polo but not all of them suitable to Australian vehicles.
Most apps will cost you 10 credits each time you use one.

The disadvantage with OBD11 is that you now need a yearly subscription which makes the device expensive if you don't use it much.

Finally say away from cheap, full of promises, devices available through international market place web sites that originate from a large manufacturing country north of us. They may be able to read fault codes and help on the maintenance side but don't fully allow coding changes in current VAG vehicles.

[NJG876]

OBDeleven (OBD11) is worth the money depending how you want to use it.
If you just want to change a few things to customise your Polo to your liking, then maybe look towards someone who has one and see if they could assist in coding for you. https://www.vwwatercooled.com/forums/f153/
If you want to play around with coding changes and the maintenance side then the OBD11 is a very handy tool.
The best value is OBD11 Pro, you don't need credits but you need to research what you want to code and manually input it. Easy to find the steps on a quick web search. Not really hard and gives you some understanding what is happening in the background.

The device only is where you need to use one click apps and credits as it won't allow you to do manual coding.
There are over 120 one click apps for the Polo but not all of them suitable to Australian vehicles.
Most apps will cost you 10 credits each time you use one.

The disadvantage with OBD11 is that you now need a yearly subscription which makes the device expensive if you don't use it much.

Finally say away from cheap, full of promises, devices available through international market place web sites that originate from a large manufacturing country north of us. They may be able to read fault codes and help on the maintenance side but don't fully allow coding changes in current VAG vehicles.

Hi thanks for that, so I just want to confirm do I need to have credits everytime I want to use a one click app or is it once I purchase one of the one click apps I can forever use it. For example if I purchase the virtual cockpit theme app can I forever use it or do I have to pay every time I want to use the app. Also is it possible to code out the soft/rev limiters on this polo? And finally you may or may not know this but is there a list of ones that work in Australia? The main one I want is virtual cockpit theme and throttle response

Also I know I’ve asked a lot of questions sorry about that but what kind of things can I code into the car? Anything worth while?

[Guest001]

You buy say 100 credits and if you use a 10 credit app it drops each time you use one. SO if you do something and it DOESNT work it is another 10 to revert it back to original. Like eating a lolly you can only do it once and its gone LOL
Also some of the more advanced apps cost 100 credits so it can mount up. If you are going to do a fair few things its better to buy a PRO licence and then do the alterations by Long Coding which is free. I have an old original lifetime licence model which does everything I want via coding and as VAG have locked us out of a lot of things I cant do as much on our 21 Kamiq as I did on my 19 Tiguan. Eg can no longer turn off Stop Start etc.. As far as lists are concerned there are as many as stars in the sky. Google what you want to do 99.9% has been done before. VW Vortex is also a good place to start

The answer to your question is NO If you want to use 1click apps you HAVE to buy credits and if you look around prices for them vary and cheaper in larger bundles

[NJG876]

You buy say 100 credits and if you use a 10 credit app it drops each time you use one. SO if you do something and it DOESNT work it is another 10 to revert it back to original. Like eating a lolly you can only do it once and its gone LOL
Also some of the more advanced apps cost 100 credits so it can mount up. If you are going to do a fair few things its better to buy a PRO licence and then do the alterations by Long Coding which is free. I have an old original lifetime licence model which does everything I want via coding and as VAG have locked us out of a lot of things I cant do as much on our 21 Kamiq as I did on my 19 Tiguan. Eg can no longer turn off Stop Start etc.. As far as lists are concerned there are as many as stars in the sky. Google what you want to do 99.9% has been done before. VW Vortex is also a good place to start

The answer to your question is NO If you want to use 1click apps you HAVE to buy credits and if you look around prices for them vary and cheaper in larger bundles

Thanks, now this may sound stupid. But I can use pretty much all the one click apps in the long coding? For example I can use the virtual cockpit theme in the long coding? BTW the model will definitely be coming with a Pro licence

[Flipper Dog]

Every time you access an app you need to pay in credits, example if you activate a feature - 10 credits, if you want to revert back - another 10 credits, or if you want to swap a feature - another 10 credits.
So playing around activating a feature and then testing it out could hit you up a few credits until you are happy.

I can't see anything on one click apps in relation to soft/rev limiters. There may be some long coding about that feature out there.

There are a lot of apps with activate features you will already have in Australian vehicles as standard. Unless you want to turn them off to have a very base model vehicle they are a waste of time.
For a full list you could try emailing OBD11 directly, they seem to be very customer focus. I can't really see anything in a quick google search.

[DV52]

@NJG876: Hi.
Hmm....... maybe another opinion might be of value in your considerations?

There is absolutely no doubt that OBD11 is a very powerful tool and in IMO it's better than VCDS in some respects (albeit both have their advantages and deficiencies).

One of the differentiators between the 2 x diagnostic devices is One Click Apps (OCAs) - which are marketed particularly to those users that want a quick and easy method to make coding changes. This market sector is entirely ignored by VCDS - which is sold as the device of choice for more serious users (not sure that this marketing is correct!)

Anyhow, OCAs do have a legitimate value and they are used by many OBD11 owners! Incidentally, there is NO need to buy a PRO license, or pay an annual subscription fee if you ONLY want to use OCAs and it's a good way to avoid the additional cost until a user is more familiar with the device.

However, many (ALL?) new OBD11 users blissfully buy OCAs without understanding their dangers!!. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying that OCAs are bad - I'm simply suggesting that before going down the OCA route, a OBD11 user needs to make an informed risk-based decision.

So, there has been lots of discussion about the many advantages of OCAs - but not much has been said about the risks . Fact is that there are basically two problems that OBD11 users should be aware-of when using OCAs:

First: When the code-cutters on the OBD11 mother-ship write the programs for OCAs, they make certain assumptions about the current way the the modules are coded in the car. To a degree, these assumptions can be tested by sub-routines in the OCA before actual coding changes are made. If these tests fail, the OCA doesn't implement a coding change and a confirming message of this outcome is displayed on the screen. However, it's not possible to test every scenario and only the obvious pre-condition tests are used.

As a frequent example of this problem - consider a user that has successfully implemented a OCA (let's call this the "original OCA") but later decides to "undo" the change. In the intervening period, this user has implemented other OCAs - some of which have affected the coding changes in the "original OCA". When the users applies the "undo" facility in the original OCA, the coding change that reverts to the original settings upsets the subsequent OCAs and an error results!!This is a common scenario because OCA users generally tend to use lots of OCAs!

Second: One of the fundamental facilities in a good diagnostic device is the History function. This is the facility in OBD11 that records details of all the changes that a user makes. It's a very valuable facility for experienced users - but it's even more precious for new-bees - because it allows users to revert coding changes back to their original values (because the History record contains the value of the original factory setting which is otherwise lost)! Alas OCAs do NOT leave any records of the coding changes that they make in the History facility!

I'm not sure what percentage of OBD11 users successfully implement OCAs without ever encountering these problem - but both of the cases above happen with regular repetition and there are lots of bewildered/anxious users on the OBD11 forum as examples. In some instances, fellow forum members are able to make useful suggestions to fix the problem - but often, the only recourse is to seek advice from the OBD11 mother-ship (particularly when the "Second" case is the cause).

Again, I'm NOT advocating that OCAs are bad, I just want to stress that OCAs ain't all upside - they do have their risks!

So, my suggestion: use OCAs sparingly and understand the risks - a far better approach IMO is for new-bees to learn manual coding as quickly as possible (take early control of your new diagnostic device - it WILL pay dividends!!

Don

[doc_777]

Many one click apps will display a message when you try and use them if they are not suitable for use on your vehicle. You are not debited credits in that instance.

[Guest001]

The difference between OCA and long coding is that the OCA does things you cant see it doing and so is sometimes a bit hard to correct if doesnt work.

With long coding YOU change the Bytes and Bits according to the instructions so you know what you have done and can correct it. Also is best to back up the module you are working on so you can reinstate it.
Make sure when coding its the correct one for YOUR car and follow instructions implicitly.
Eg if it says get out and check if headlights do certain things DO IT there is a reason for it.

Below is a link to most of the 38 things I did to my Tiguan all successfully ( but not always first try)

BEST ALL TIGUAN ELECTRIC MODS.docx - Google Docs