ESP on TDI ?

[VW GTI]

What are the kW claims on this Oettinger chip?

max. power: 100 kW (136 bhp) @ 4000 rpm
max. torque: 231 lb ft (315 Nm) @ 1900 rpm

[pologti18t]

Hmmm, all you guys are basing the purchase on what YOU want.... not what the actual purchaser wants....

1. She wants esp... If the Polo TDI doesn't have it then its eliminated. The 1.6L Polo petrol does have it and is cheaper than the TDI.

2. There is nothing wrong with the i30. It's perhaps the ONLY diesel car on the road that makes any economic sense. The rest give you no payback on the equivalent petrol model.

3. Does the purchaser want auto or manual? No auto for Polo TDi, 4 speed auto for i30 and 6 speed auto for Polo petrol.

Now for a reality check.. Petrol in sydney is in the 153c/l range. Diesel is over 180c/l. How anyone could recommend someone to buy a diesel for a round the town shopping trolley at the moment has ROCKS in their head.

[VW GTI]

Hmmm, all you guys are basing the purchase on what YOU want.... not what the actual purchaser wants....

1. She wants esp... If the Polo TDI doesn't have it then its eliminated. The 1.6L Polo petrol does have it and is cheaper than the TDI.

2. There is nothing wrong with the i30. It's perhaps the ONLY diesel car on the road that makes any economic sense. The rest give you no payback on the equivalent petrol model.

3. Does the purchaser want auto or manual? No auto for Polo TDi, 4 speed auto for i30 and 6 speed auto for Polo petrol.

Now for a reality check.. Petrol in sydney is in the 153c/l range. Diesel is over 180c/l. How anyone could recommend someone to buy a diesel for a round the town shopping trolley at the moment has ROCKS in their head.

Sharkie is the actual purchaser (well, almost) and he's saying they don't want petrol...

Also...

Australia's Best Cars Awards for Best Small Car 2007
For the second year running, the Volkswagen Polo TDI wins Australia's Best Cars Awards for Best Small Car 2007. With it's winning combination of power, features and economy, the Volkswagen Polo TDI packs a big punch in a little package.

The smooth and quiet TDI offers ultra-low fuel consumption of just 5.0/100km*, making it possible to drive up to 900kms on a single tank of 45 litres. Producing 74kW of power and a staggering 240Nm of torque, the Polo TDI comes standard with a precise 5 speed manual transmission.

45/900 = 5L/100km

1.6L would get 600ish out of 45 L
45/600 = 7.5L/100km

5 * $1.80/L = $9/100km
7.5 * $1.50/L = $11.25/100km

The petrol engine would need to get 750km out of a tank to match the TDi, I can tell you which would be easier to drive while achieving those figures looking at the low end torque & power of the TDi opposed to the petrol. Who's the one with rocks in their head?

[Pumpe-Düse]

Sharkie is the actual purchaser (well, almost) and he's saying they don't want petrol...

Also...





45/900 = 5L/100km

1.6L would get 600ish out of 45 L
45/600 = 7.5L/100km

5 * $1.80/L = $9/100km
7.5 * $1.50/L = $11.25/100km

The petrol engine would need to get 750km out of a tank to match the TDi, I can tell you which would be easier to drive while achieving those figures looking at the low end torque & power of the TDi opposed to the petrol. Who's the one with rocks in their head?

It would be nice if the Polo actually got those figures.

Mine's best so far of 5.67L/100km isn't as impressive though. That means 793.65km out of 45 litres. Not quite 900.

45*1.849 = $83.21.

My old Clio's best figure combined was 7.2L/100km. 50L tank, 98 RON. $81.55 (1.631 for 9 for 694km + 7.2L more to match the Polo, $93.29 total. $10 difference weekly. With best on best figures. My two cars compared to each other. $520/year. Enough for a greenslip. Not quite the saving I was expecting ($2000+) though. And that's with a 2.0L hot-hatch that requires 98.

A small economy based car that only needs 91 RON would probably cost the same to run as the TDI does... but then you run into a few other things to remember...

#1. The 1.9 TDI engine in the Polo is an old technology engine that's been around a few years. Dating back to 1993, with the Pumpe-Duse direct injection setup added in 1998. The 2.0 TDI engine in the Golfs is more efficient.

#2. The type of petrol engine you will need to match the economy of the Polo with it using closer to 6L/100km like mine is will be a small, whiney, gutless thing that's very uninspiring to own. I like having 240Nm @ 1800-2400rpm.

#3. I'm still of the belief that my car's economy will get better as it loosens up. I'm not sure about hitting the 5.0L/100km the sticker has on it, but I don't think something like 5.4 or 5.3L/100km is too unreasonable after a few thousand more km.

#4. Polo 1.9 TDI >>>>>>>>>>>> Hyundai i30.

[pologti18t]

I stand corrected... only the Polo Gti is available with ESP from the VW spec sheets.

THese are the articles and figures people should be examining before buying a diesel car.

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/resources/file/ebc7480b995b9f0/small.pdf

http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/resources/file/ebc7460b9919d2a/light.pdf

With increases in road freight and therefore the demand on diesel supplies the price disparity between petrol and diesel will always remain or may even get worse.

[VW GTI]

Most of that difference was in the resale value, which is very dependent on how you care for your car, klms driven and many other things. Did you read the information you posted?

[pologti18t]

Most of that difference was in the resale value, which is very dependent on how you care for your car, klms driven and many other things. Did you read the information you posted?

And? It applies equally to whether you buy a petrol or diesel version of a car.
Why should how a person cares for a car be dependent on the way it is fueled?

[Matt P]

i'm sure you couldn't find a performance chip for the i30.

i'm sure you'd be wrong on that count (as i looked into it), readily available for about the same money as the golf/polo/etc.. ones

[VW GTI]

And? It applies equally to whether you buy a petrol or diesel version of a car.
Why should how a person cares for a car be dependent on the way it is fueled?

Your comments of 'economy' are based on speculative resale values. They are for a 5 year old car, none of those models of cars have been around 5 years so it's a guess. Take performance and fuel consumption to get a real comparison of economy.

We had a 1L Suzuki Alto as a paddock learn to drive car. Very economic, about 4L/100km when being thrashed. Pity it was really crap to drive and had no power.

[Flaps]

really crap to drive

Suzuki Alto.

had no power.

1L

I wonder why?

[VW GTI]

Hahaha, my point exactly... just because it's economic doesn't mean it's good. There are plenty of other things to look at.

[Sharkie]

Diesels have slightly better resale value than their petrol stablemates and are actually nicer to drive around the "burbs" due to their torquey nature.

Our friend has driven in a 307 and Golf diesel and loved the drive compared to her 6 yr old Mazda 323 and wanted a new small hatch (budget does not stretch to $30K) in diesel. (Its only $3K more than a 1.6 petrol Polo)

Obviously there is a bit of brand snobbery but for basically the same price, why buy a Hyundai over a VW ? The i30 is also quite ugly........ IMO

I doubt she will go for a chip (maybe a trial will help) and will use the car mainly to ferry kids to school and back.

Thanks Phaeton for the info, and I'll try the local dealers again to confirm ESP availability for MY09. Not holding out much hope on them actually knowing though.

[pologti18t]

Diesels have slightly better resale value than their petrol stablemates and are actually nicer to drive around the "burbs" due to their torquey nature.

Its not actually true anymore now that diesel/petrol price margins have grown.

Your comments of 'economy' are based on speculative resale values. They are for a 5 year old car, none of those models of cars have been around 5 years so it's a guess. Take performance and fuel consumption to get a real comparison of economy.

My comments? These are industry surveys and figures. These are the types of things that determine the trade-in value when you go to sell etc etc.

Just remember. On a small car you are coughing up 10% of the retail price for no obvious long term savings (how ever you define it)

IN the end the lady has to decide whether the outlay (roughly 10% of rrp) for a 1.6l TDI I30 is worth it over a 2L (which is hardly lacking in NM/Kw) petrol I30.

[VW GTI]

Or whether the 'savings' of buying an i30 is worth being seen in and living with a Hyundai.