Mazda 3 MPS vs Polo

[FLOSPOLOGTI]

Hi everyone,

Noting that a Mazda 3 MPS is meant to be really quick on-the-roll (aparently better than a 911 from 80-120km/h), wouldnt a 'reflashed' Gti be even quicker ?? not as much peak power and torque but its (the Gti) over 200kg lighter isnt it...would be an interesting comparo...

[FL00DY]

Hi everyone,

Noting that a Mazda 3 MPS is meant to be really quick on-the-roll (aparently better than a 911 from 80-120km/h), wouldnt a 'reflashed' Gti be even quicker ?? not as much peak power and torque but its (the Gti) over 200kg lighter isnt it...would be an interesting comparo...

I think without the flash a well setup Polo GTI & a good steerer would give the 3MPS a good going over up a hill climb. The less weight and power of the Polo I think is ideal for a hill climb, however all the power of the 3 MPS is a bit wasted. On a proper racetrack it's a lil bit different, but I don't think the 3MPS would pull away in the corners.

[Sharkie]

A chipped Polo GTI will quite easily see off a 3 MPS from a standing start up to about 110km/h. This is due to the fact that the 3 MPS has its boost limited in 1st and 2nd gear and is not making full power. (This is lovely and makes the Mazda boys quite upset )

The power to weight equations of the 2 are very similar:
3 MPS = 190kw/380NM/1403kg = 135kw/1000kg & 270NM/1000kg
Polo GTI chipped = 152kw/332NM/1190kg = 128kw/1000kg & 279NM/1000kg

In theory they should be very close in roll on (3rd gear) starts, however in practice the fact that 3rd gear is shorter in the 3 MPS means it is marginally ahead and continues to widen a gap. Typically they both return around 14.3/14.4 quarter mile times.

A few more mods to a Polo makes it more of an even match.

[99gti]

A chipped Polo GTI will quite easily see off a 3 MPS from a standing start up to about 110km/h. This is due to the fact that the 3 MPS has its boost limited in 1st and 2nd gear and is not making full power. (This is lovely and makes the Mazda boys quite upset )

The power to weight equations of the 2 are very similar:
3 MPS = 190kw/380NM/1403kg = 135kw/1000kg & 270NM/1000kg
Polo GTI chipped = 152kw/332NM/1190kg = 128kw/1000kg & 279NM/1000kg

In theory they should be very close in roll on (3rd gear) starts, however in practice the fact that 3rd gear is shorter in the 3 MPS means it is marginally ahead and continues to widen a gap. Typically they both return around 14.3/14.4 quarter mile times.

A few more mods to a Polo makes it more of an even match.

It refreshing to see some tangible data used and a good analysis.

Does anyone have the polo's gear ratio's? Here are the 3MPS:

1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853

[Mischa]

wheel horsepower is all that matters though... theres a bloke on vortex with a 3mps with just a few light mods with 190wheel kw. its a monster in a straight line.

[DubSteve]

wheel horsepower is all that matters though... theres a bloke on vortex with a 3mps with just a few light mods with 190wheel kw. its a monster in a straight line.

He sold it

But that put anything on show when he did have it!

[VW GTI]

Here are the 3MPS:

1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853

Hear are the Polo GTI's:

1st: 3.300
2nd: 1.944
3rd: 1.360
4th: 1.034
5th: 0,815
Reverse: 3.060
Final drive: 3.647

[99gti]

Hopefully Shane will see this with the nift spreadsheet he made. I don't have the time to do the calculations....

[Sharkie]

[quote=Mischa;178857]wheel horsepower is all that matters though... quote]

Actually no, wheel horsepower still has to carry the weight of the car and the same power to weight equation still applies. And it is normally measured in 3rd of 4th gear on a dyno. So in 4th the following applies

Mazda 3 MPS = 148kw atw = 104kw/1000kg
Polo GTI = 122kw atw = 103kw/1000kg

A chipped 3 MPS obviously is a different story.

Just for interest sake, does anybody know if a chipped 3 MPS still has the boost limit in its 1st and 2nd gears?

[Adam]

He sold it

Come to his sense and bought V-dub instead?

[mazgtr]

I was really interested in compareing my Polo's 80-120kmph time, as i think thats the cars strength, roll on acceleration.

I found this from a WHEELS magazine review of cars..

WHEELS quotes: "80-120 in 3rd gear"

Mazda MPS 3............................ 3.5secs,
911 Carerra............................... 3.6sec
HSV GTO .................................. 3.8sec,
Aston Martin V8 Vantage .............4.0sec.
XR6 Turbo .................................4.0sec,
Renault Megane 225 ....................4.0sec,
WRX takes ................................4.2secs.
VW Golf GTI ...............................4.4sec,
Ford XR5 Turbo ..........................4.5sec.

Ive done a few hand timed 80-120kmph roll on runs in 3rd gear.

3 runs ended up being (3.47) (3.55) (3.61) secs in 3rd gear.

[RhysQ]

I was really interested in compareing my Polo's 80-120kmph time, as i think thats the cars strength, roll on acceleration.

FYI, i was running extremely late and heading south on the M1 the other day to a lunch in Kingscliff....(within the.....ummmmm....speed limits of course). i noticed i was approaching a renault megane sport cup 225 whom also seemed to be in a hurry (weaving in and out of lanes). once he noticed i was trying to get past he sat in the right lane and slowed down so i could not pass him as there was traffic going slow behind a truck in the left lane (about 90km/h).

as the truck slowed down to pull over there was a gap in the left lane which i decided to take with the opportunity of passing this smart ass in the renault. the second i put my indicator on he knew what i was up to and put his foot down. even with 3 people in my car (only him in his) i easily managed to slip by with a smile on my face and pull in front of him (much to his disgust....hurling abuse inside his french 'glass case of emotion').

i was rather impressed with the little polo but had to deal with this idiot on my ass 'chasing' me for the next few k's until he turned off the hwy.

[Blitzen]

FYI, i was running extremely late and heading south on the M1 the other day to a lunch in Kingscliff....(within the.....ummmmm....speed limits of course). i noticed i was approaching a renault megane sport cup 225 whom also seemed to be in a hurry (weaving in and out of lanes). once he noticed i was trying to get past he sat in the right lane and slowed down so i could not pass him as there was traffic going slow behind a truck in the left lane (about 90km/h).

as the truck slowed down to pull over there was a gap in the left lane which i decided to take with the opportunity of passing this smart ass in the renault. the second i put my indicator on he knew what i was up to and put his foot down. even with 3 people in my car (only him in his) i easily managed to slip by with a smile on my face and pull in front of him (much to his disgust....hurling abuse inside his french 'glass case of emotion').

i was rather impressed with the little polo but had to deal with this idiot on my ass 'chasing' me for the next few k's until he turned off the hwy.

Just goes to prove Queenslanders and French cars are a bad combination...(Queenslanders in any car are a bad combination....).

I had that up here the other day with a guy in a EL Falcon...It is surprising how much the Bogan Brigade hates getting shown up by little hatch backs!!

[RhysQ]

Just goes to prove Queenslanders and French cars are a bad combination...(Queenslanders in any car are a bad combination....).

hey.....cut that out. my last car was a Peugeot 206 GTI, good fun car to drive (being so light with the 2.0L 102kW engine and stiff as all hell suspension) but caused me nothing but trouble and just fell apart. cost me over $5,500 over the 2 years i owned it, JUST IN REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE.......never again! the thing only cost me $13,000 so i figured it wasn't worth keeping so i sold it to my OLDER sister (yes thats right, older) for $10,000.....muhahaha, she now carries the burden. however, since she has owned it, she has never has a problem - maybe cos i fixed them all

BACK ON TOPIC: does that mean i can sort of claim my car does a quicker 80-120km/h than a Porsche 911, HSV GTO, and Aston Martin Vantage

only one real way to find out ---> /|\

[Ben_GTI]

If you want to find out I am free on Saturday morning and will provide a stock MPS and Polo GTI.

Ps. You better leave Thursday to get down here in time