POLO GTi OR COOPER S??

[Jnr]

yeah opposite, superchargers have constant boost from the get go.. but we get the idea...
yeah that new golf gt is wickd.. 1.4l turbo/supercharged with 124kw or something like that..

well i guess tomorrow when i test drive the polo will be the day to decide....

plus if anyone knows of anyone with a white or silver one for sale that is in the low 20k bracket let me know... cheers

[Mischa]

yeah opposite, superchargers have constant boost from the get go.. but we get the idea...
yeah that new golf gt is wickd.. 1.4l turbo/supercharged with 124kw or something like that..

well i guess tomorrow when i test drive the polo will be the day to decide....

plus if anyone knows of anyone with a white or silver one for sale that is in the low 20k bracket let me know... cheers

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k

[shaneth]

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k

Once again depends on what he wants from a car. But dam i do love the Bora

[RhysQ]

to confuse you im gonna say bora v6 4motion. 150kw, 4wd, leather, sunroof for 20k

yeah the bora is a nice car but i'm guessing he wants something with a little bite.

details on the v6 4motion bora (as per redbook):

- 150kW
- 270Nm
- 1457 kgs
- 0-100km/h = 10secs

with the 4motion system, you lose a lot of power getting that 150kW to all fours. for example, as seen on our recent brissy dyno day, the mkIV golf R32 is rated at 177kW at the flywheel. on the dyno, it pulled 122.1kW at the wheels, thats a big loss through the 4motion system.

my Polo GTI only has the APR ecu (rated by APR at 152kW at the fly) and pulled a 122.2kW at the wheels on the same dyno.

Cheers,
Rhys

[Mischa]

- 0-100km/h = 10secs

that figure is wrong

0-100 for bora v6 is 7.1

[Timbo]

Source? Not 10s, but 7.4s from what I've read

Another obvious alternative is a Mk IV GTI, or a 1.8T Audi (possibly Quattro)

[Lima]

I've never driven a Pogo, but have been on enough drives with FL00DY and, as he said, he's never really been found wanting for pace. Only at Wakefield do the MINIs appear to have a slight advantage.

Beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder, so it will come as no surprise that I rate all aspects of the MINIs looks way ahead of the Polo. Besides, how many complete strangers have come up to Polo drivers and gone, gee I love your car, or I used to have one of these in the 60s it was great, how does it go ... and so on. It has died down a little, but even today, 6 years after launch the MINI still makes people smile.

While I understand the Polo is lighter than the Golf, I've driven enough Volkswagens to know that I'd be surprised if the Polo felt anywhere near as precise and immediate as the MINI. Our Golf GTI may be quicker from point A to point B compared to the MINI (may not be either, would be very close) but the MINI is always the more rewarding drive. You have to work much harder, the steering is heavier, the clutch/gearchange is heavier, but it's hard to explain, on a twisty mountain drive in the MINI you feel at one with the car, in our Golf, as quick as it is, you still feel a bit disconnected.

Many may not enjoy it, but the supercharger whine and exhaust pop and crackle on overrun also adds to the MINIs driving pleasure. No other car in its class sounds anything like it.

The MINI really is a very, very good car. Overpriced, perhaps, but as a driving tool, they should never be underestimated.

That said, if you want to save your cash and get a car that is fun to drive, and easy to mod, a Polo GTI is a no brainer, just do it.

Also, if you would like a bit more power, the Cooper S is fairly expensive to take to 150kw, while the Polo is 10mins and less than $2K.

I suppose it depends on what you classify as fairly expensive. On a supercharged MCS, if you're able to do the mechanical work yourself, for under $1500 you can have an MCS that is at least on par with a JCW, most likely a fraction quicker.

Here's a list of my mods, with dyno runs to go with...
Stock/baseline 106kW
+ ALTA cold air intake (AU$400) 118kW
+ Milltek cat-back (AU$1500) 115kW (oops, haha, sounds good though, and drives better)
+ 15% pulley & MTH Tuner reflash (AU$200 / $550) 136kW* (approx 155kW at the crank)
(*Car has run on another dyno and got 127kW)

As you can see it is the pulley and CAI that do all the work. If you can do the mods yourself, you should comfortably get 20kW at the wheels for under $1000. The ECU reflash on the MINI (in my experience), despite MTH's claims, adds little to no power, but improves driveability.

Yes, nowhere near as easy as a reflash on a Polo, but hardly cost prohibitive either, plus you can enjoy the fun/experience of modding the car yourself, if that's your thing, which it has been for me.

Hmm I'll have to go for a test drive in a new MCS then because I've flogged the day lights out of a new Pug 207 GTi with the same 1.6T motor and it felt worse then the stock Polo motor.

I've driven both and I thought the Pug was okay, or at least better than I thought it would be. But the R56 MINI, as a pure driver's car, is comfortably ahead in all aspects, and around 150kg lighter IIRC. Even a Clubman Cooper S is better than the Pug.

So there's a few points to consider from the other side.

Cheers Liam

[RhysQ]

that figure is wrong

0-100 for bora v6 is 7.1

Source? Not 10s, but 7.4s from what I've read

Another obvious alternative is a Mk IV GTI, or a 1.8T Audi (possibly Quattro)

what are your sources....?

mine is http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au....php?id=107496

redbook apparently only post information given from the manufacturers.

[VW GTI]

Mischa is wrong too.

It's 7.4 on all the sites I looked at. Also looks like the car has 149.9 kw, not 150 as well

[Jnr]

polo gets a thumbs up

thanks for the feedback liam and everyone, much appreciated.
test drove the polo gti today, and it was very nice. felt strong and well put together as youd expect from a new car and also has a great standard tone. first gear felt good, could feel a lil boost kicking in but felt that second gear was lacking a little bit.anyone agree and how much difference is there after chipping and will it wheel spin just by puttin the foot flat stick??. anyone know what boost they run standard and what boost they run after chipping them??

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That said, if you want to save your cash and get a car that is fun to drive, and easy to mod, a Polo GTI is a no brainer, just do it.

All in all i think id have to agree with liam, i can have a fun, reliable, quick, and easy car to work on with the potential of more power, fully insured with still new car warrenty for around the 25k mark(second hand)... and thats hard to beat... so for me i think the polo is a thumbs up..

[Timbo]

what are your sources....?

http://www.worldofmotorsports.com/car/tech_spec.asp?specID=17355&make=Volkswagen

[GT3]

Besides, how many complete strangers have come up to Polo drivers and gone, gee I love your car, or I used to have one of these in the 60s it was great, how does it go ... and so on.

12 kw from the intake alone, amasing isn't?

While the Polo GTI hasn't been around as long as the 'original' mini, it still is a GTI, and draws on the famous and highly regarded GTI heritage. Remember, VW invented the hot hatch GTI concept in 1976. The Polo GTI still carries the red line around the grill and the retro tartan seats, just like the original GTI.

..and Jeremy Clarkson isn't the only motoring journo I've read to say that the Polo GTI is the spirtual successor of the orginal GTI. Meaning the Golf has become too up-market and heavy, while the Polo GTI retains the simplicity of the original, small, agile hatch.

Both the Golf GTI and MCS are brilliant cars in their own right, but a direct comparison (particularly at the price point) isn't really valid IMO.

[shaneth]

Sorry GT3 Mini cooper S released in 1963. WIth 53kw apparently according to wiki. (dam thats alot for the age and size.)

A more powerful Mini Cooper, dubbed the "S", was developed in tandem and released in 1963.

[GT3]

Sorry GT3 Mini cooper S released in 1963. WIth 53kw apparently according to wiki. (dam thats alot for the age and size.)

Sure, but I was referring to the "GTI" concept - which does have heritage and history too.

[shaneth]

Sure, but I was referring to the "GTI" concept - which does have heritage and history too.

Of course it does just playing